Justmom and families memorial experience tonight

by justmom 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dearest Palmtree... may you have peace!

    I'm not sure if 'Mom is on the board right now (if you are, Kimmie - peace to you and please jump in!), but I am so I will respond:

    Does the partaking have to be done in a Kingdom Hall on Memorial night?

    Dear one, there is no "have to" with God and Christ. Truly, that is the WONDERFUL thing about the "freedom" of the sons of God. The Most Holy One of Israel does NOT want us to do ANYTHING we don't WANT to do. Ever. One can even hear/be directed by the Spirit... and choose not to "go." Contrary to what many teach... and thus many believe... the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, really is NOT a God of "thou shall/thou shalt not" with regard to pretty much anything other than something that transgresses against another. The OTHER stuff is made up and contrived by man. The Most Holy One of Israel, however, is MERCIFUL, SLOW to anger, and ABUNDANT in loving kindness!

    Thus, the real deal is not want GOD will "do" to such one... but what one's own heart and conscience will "do" to such one. A good example is Peter's denial and his countenance afterward. Or, perhaps even Judas'. It varies with the individual. But it can be much like that (yes, there have been a couple/few times were I did not obey immediately... and yes, it stays with you. NOT because my Lord is there saying, "What? You didn't DO it? What's up with THAT?" but because your OWN heart and conscience says, "Oh, Lordy, I shoulda gone/did/said. What if someone loses out because I didn't want to be bothered... didn't want to be treated poorly... didn't want to be 'persecuted'?") Funny, some of us will throw ourselves on a IED... but put ourselves out there for CHRIST?!! Uh-uh...

    Or do you feel you could have a small celebration, including partaking on your own or with some freinds?

    We do... and have. Each one has to decide for him/herself. I cannot tell ANYONE to go... or what THEY must do. I can share what the Spirit tells ME... and what *I* do... and WHY... but it is up to the one to decided for theirselves. So far, although it takes different amounts of time and courage for each one... everyone who asks ME eventually comes back and say, "Guess what? The Holy Spirit has directed ME to go, this year, etc." And, well, so be it.

    I understand you want to make a point to the JW's. Do you feel a responsibility to make that point to other faiths, as well? (I'm not clear on what other faiths do or do not partake.)

    I can only answer for me regarding this: I am sent ONLY to the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... who are in the WTBTS... and who are here (i.e., those who came out of her). Some of us have asked and our understanding is that the Most Holy One of Israel places members in the Body [of Christ] just as HE pleases... and that just like with us (i.e., Christ calling us out of HER)... he also goes to find his "lost" sheep wherever they may be (and they are EVERYWHERE... in ALL religions and some in NO religion)... and calls them... and leads them out. So, I have no doubt that there are other Body Members doing the same thing with regard to other "daughters" of Babylon the Great. THIS one, however, is... to our understanding... the most reprehensible thus far because she is the ONLY one who does all that she can to keep folks FROM eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ... in direct opposition to what Christ himself is recorded to have said at John 6:47-56.

    Please be assured my questions are coming from a respectful place

    Absolutely! Please you be assured that it is our privilege, me and those who share with me... to "serve" YOU... by sharing with YOU. We are the ones blessed as a result! ('Mom... pipe in!)

    I hope this helps and peace to you, dear Palmtree!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Justmom and family (and shelby) - you believe that as Christians you should be partaking and therefore, you do.

    No-one has the right to question your beliefs and even though I no longer consider myself "Christian" I respect your stand.

    I also agree that if you are following the Christian way you should be following Christ's very clear instructions to break the break and eat the bread and drink the red wine.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    and peace to you, dear Cantleave! Truly!

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Think About It
    Think About It

    I hate it when the JW leadership acts immature. It's obvious you are peaceful and not obnoxious, nor causing disorder. They should have been mature about things and greeted you, then seated you. Once the observance begins it is your business whether to pass or partake of the emblems. After that an inquiry on how you folks were doing and that they would like to see you there more if you could make it would not have been out of line. Strange people and to think I use to be one. (don't recall ever being extreme or rude though)

    Think About It

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    Thank you very much, Shelby!

    I don't know if you read the memorial thread on here, but I attended last night and felt unsatisfied. It all seemed to be quite a disrespectful atmosphere to me.

    I went home and had my own prayer and mediatation and partaking. It's the first time I've ever done that. I don't feel guilty about it and infact, feel refreshed and satisfied today.

  • justmom
    justmom

    Hello to you all:

    Think about it.......you are right they posted 5 bodyguards at the back of the hall. I guess one for each of us.. And we were going to be a threat how? We had never done anything before, don't need to. Their scared enough as it is. My sons are grown-up now. Were never baptized inside therefore never disfellowshipped. None of the witnesses (only some that come only to the memorial in pants) even looked at my kids. I take that back. My sister-in-law who is disfellowshipped hugged them on the way in as we were freezing outside waiting to be allowed in.

    As to going and partaking with them verses other churches. We have with others before when they heard of our story. They had always believed jws are a cult so they welcomed us to partake with them. We live in a small town so everybody knows everyone.

    JWs are the only professing christian religion that never partakes and talks people out of doing it therefore shutting up the kingdom and denying the benefits of Christs sacrifice. Others do so either monthly, weekly annually or after confession, they at least have faith in it. And believe you need in to have life and forgiveness.

    Because we have been raised from among them (jws) our families and old best friends who truly know the kind of loving family we were and tried our best are still there, this is where are main ministry is. But it is not limited to just them. Just as Jesus was sent to the house iof Israel but still performed miracles and good deeds to all even non-jews, we today do the same. LOVE NEVER FAILS.

    Funny thats their yearly text. Think they'd get it?!

    Dear palmtree, blessings to you...we partake as a family regularly at home. We need him everyday and want to stay in union with him constantly. So that is how we do it also. We go to the kingdom hall just for them, not that we need them to partake.

    just a thought

    love justmom (kim)

  • donuthole
    donuthole

    Kim --

    It takes courage to go there that's for sure. The Lord has sent me back twice and each time it nearly made me tremble with fear in flesh. (Once he even had me answer at the Watchtower study -- can you imagine.) Anyway I know of the fear in your flesh - but the courage in the Spirit. I'm glad that loved triumphed. May you be blessed.

    -Anthony

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    WOW how very cool. I attended with a friend and we both looked at each other as they passed it. They all had dead shark eyes, and there was no emotion to the place. I hadn't been to one in 8 years so it felt weird. I had no intention of partaking because I went to a cong who didn't know me and I was there for my friend who is studying with the witness. She is about to stop the study thanks to me and my reveal of the real truth about what kind of Christians Witnesses really are.

    Ruth

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Great thread justmom! Many thanks for posting :)

    palmtree67

    I don't know if you read the memorial thread on here, but I attended last night and felt unsatisfied. It all seemed to be quite a disrespectful atmosphere to me.

    I went home and had my own prayer and mediatation and partaking. It's the first time I've ever done that. I don't feel guilty about it and infact, feel refreshed and satisfied today.

    Awesome :) I feel so happy for you. Just keep walking and talking...

    Blessings in Christ,

    Stephen

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dearest Palmtree, the greatest of love and peace to you! No, I have not read it and can't find it. Can you post the link? Thanks MUCH!

    Dear, dear Outlaw - the greatest of love and peace to you, too... and my apologies for overlooking your curiousity about how my experience went. Well, it went rather well, actually, but "interesting" in that we ended up at the "wrong" KH... but for the "right" reason! Last year, we went to our old congregation (a sister Body member, who has been attending and partaking with me for the past 11 years... and I - we used to hold hands for support - but since holding hands is a "no-no" now, well, I guess we won't be doing THAT anymore - yeah, right! LOLOLOLOL!).

    Anyway, last year "everyone" was there except the PO that I've mentioned in other threads (the one who gave the talk at the DC who I spoke to about the whole separating work thing). We didn't know what happened to him. But everyone else was there... and talk about your weeping and gnashing of teeth - as I said, one of my former JC members looked as if he would grind his teeth down to the bone!

    THis year we called earlier in the day to get the time and were told that the congregation would meet at 7:15pm. So, we arrived at 7:10pm or so. However, their meeting was actually scheduled for 9:15pm! So... we left and came back. When we parked, we asked the "brothers" where this particular congregation was meeting and they pointed to the west side of the building (it's a brand spanking new "double" KH... where 6 congregations meet. No, it doesn't necessarily mean they're growing - four met at the previous hall but only two now meet there).

    So... we went in and sat down. And who should we see but Brother PO... who kind of "jumped" when he saw us. He hadn't seen us since the year BEFORE. At that time (before), I went up and greeted him and he said, "Why do you keep coming here? If we're SO bad, why are you bothering with us?" I was speechless, at first, and then I simply said to him, "Because my love for you all did not fail, Brother. It was your love for me that ran short. Mine for you still remains. I did not leave you - you asked me to leave." He stared at me for a second... then the "anger" on his face disappeared. But then he just turned and walked away.

    Back to last night. Sometime before the meeting started, a dear old white-haired lady sitting directly in front turned to greet us (no one else did, which is notable and you'll understand why in a sec). I told to her, "Thank you so much, Sister, and I don't want to alarm you, but I don't think the elders wish you to speak to us." She looked at me and smile ever so slightly and then said, "Oh, yes. Thank you!" and then moved off. The sister and I were becoming a little confused, though, because other than Brother PO and his wife we virtually did not recognize another single soul in the place - except a woman who sat in the row in front of me, two seats to my left... who used to work for me but didn't seem to recognize me - we haven't seen each other in close to 20 years and she was always a little "ditzy" so it made sense... and a young woman who just happens to be the dear one who accompanied me's massuese! YEP! My dear sister said, "I didn't know she was a Witness!!" Well, apparently, she isn't because as soon as she caught my companion's eye... she headed over! When she crouched down next to us, my companion introduced us and we exchanged names and shook hands. Then my companion said to her what I had said to the elderly woman. And the young woman replied, "Oh, what scandalous thing have you done?" and began laughing. My companion said, "I'll tell you at our session Friday," to which the young woman responded, "Will it require strong drink? Cause you know I'm down with that!" and then laughed out loud again. She then returned to her seat and we concluded that perhaps she was "studying." I'll let you all know when I find out.

    So, the meeting starts... and Brother Big Shot From Patterson gave the discourse. Then they passed the "refreshments" and, as I stated in another thread, the "elder" who handled our row laugh-snorted when we broke the bread and ate. Idjit. After the discourse, however, Brother Big Shot did the usual WTBTS recruiting attempt, and in doing so said something very interesting. He asked the audience to turn to 1 Corinthians 7:23, and then read it, directing his comments to the entire audience, INCLUDING (and particularly) guests! Interestingly enough, there Paul wrote:

    "You were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves... of MEN."

    Do you think anyone in the audience saw the irony in that verse? Nope. Because Brother Big Shot took it upon himself to explain that what the verse actually meant was that "perhaps one is putting in too much time at work... and so can't fully participate in the preaching work... or maybe spending too much time in the mall... and so can't make it to meetings." Seriously. I kid you not... that was what HE said that verse was referring to... that "slaving for men" had to do with the time you gave to your employer... or to, well, I can't remember exactly how he said it but the gist was "greedy capitalists." What I thought was interesting is that he acknowledged that it applied to everyone. I mean, I thought... by what it states... that it was speaking only to those who WERE bought... which, as far as I know, are those mentioned at Revelation 5:9,10 and 14:3... which in his TALK he indicated did NOT pertain to the "great crowd." Oh, what a tangled web we weave!!

    Be that as it may... the event came to an end and Brother Big Shot called for the "Chairman" to come up and say the "closing prayer." "Chairman?" Then it dawned on my companion and me that the "chairman" wasn't Brother (we now guess, former) PO. Indeed, it dawned on us that not only was he no longer PO (or chairman - is that what they're called now? Or is the "chairman" only in charge of this particular event?)... but perhaps he wasn't even an elder any longer! We based that on that fact that:

    (1) It was just him and his wife. None of his four children were present. True, they're all "of age" now, but they weren't the kind of family that, you know, the kids don't go with mom and dad to the memorial, even if they're grown. Something wasn't quite "right" about that, to us...

    (2) He never left his seat. Although he stood near his seat... he did not mingle... he did not make an effort to greet anyone... and we did not see him speak to any of the other "elders" (including those who passed around the "refreshments"). We saw maybe one or two people come up and speak to him... and several to Mrs. Former PO, but it was VERY brief. We saw the women directly in front and directly behind his wife speak to his wife... but not to him (I did see the one behind put her hand on his shoulder); and

    (3) Although we didn't stay long afterward, I was the only who went up and spoke to him... during the period we DID stay...

    I spoke to him because I usually greet him. We had been friends previously and he HAD tried to stop my DF'g. But eventually he gave into pressure and "got on board." And stayed on board for 13 years. Until this year. THIS year... something was different THIS year, when I went up to him his face did not cloud over. THIS year... there was no anger evident. In fact, THIS year... he smiled at me (slightly, yes, but for the first time in 14 years!). I thought, "Hmmmmm..." And so I said to him, "You know I don't slave for men, brother." And he looked at me... and nodded ever so slightly. I said, "You know I am a slave of Christ." And, again, he nodded, this time more obviously. I continued. "You know I follow no one but the Christ... (he nodded outright)... and he has said to me that I must forgive you... and I do forgive you." This time, he nodded one deep obvious... acknowledging... nod. And I finished by saying, "Please know that I hold nothing against you... because my love for you has NOT failed. My love for you remains still." And he looked at me, nodded again... this time slightly again... and then I left him. It was enough... and time to go home.

    And sister companion and I left the KH "rejoicing"... after whch I dropped her off... picked my daughter up... and drove the 100+ miles back home to my dear husband (he went with two of his brothers, one of whom now partakes, as does his wife, the other whose wife is an "non-believer"... to support them...) and my beloved puppies. I was snuggled up in bed (it had been pouring outside!) by 1am with two little furry "heaters" at my feet.

    And THAT'S how my evening went, dear Outlaw, thank you for asking - LOLOLOLOLOL!

    Again, PEACE to you, my dear one... and may JAH bless!

    YOUR servant, friend, and a slave of CHRIST... the One who paid the price to "buy" ME...

    SA - Oh, and yes, the songs were quite dreary (as someone mentioned elsewhere). They were also nothing more than reworked old songs - new melody, same lyrics. Made 'em worse, IMHO.

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