by sammielee24 217 Replies latest members politics
All Time Jeff, the building construction manager of the Trade Towers said the buildings were built to withstand several jets flying into them.
Clearly he was incorrect.
Do any of the 9/11 questioners also question the moon landing, by any chance, or think that vaccines cause autism? Or read Popular Mechanics?
All Time Jeff, the building construction manager of the Trade Towers said the buildings were built to withstand several jets flying into them.
And the Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable. Oh well. Doesn't really prove anything does it?
And the Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable. Oh well. Doesn't really prove anything does it
In response to one of your above statements it does prove that they anticipated jets flying into the buildings when they constructed them, he explains that the construction of the Towers was such that a jet hitting one of the Towers would be like 'poking a pencil through a misquito netting."
He isn't wrong if the buildings were brought down by explosives.
He isn't wrong if the buildings were brought down by explosives.
All the evidence points to jets. So he is.
.Do any of the 9/11 questioners also question the moon landing, by any chance, or think that vaccines cause autism? Or read Popular Mechanics?
question the moon landing-no, beleive vaccines cause autism-yes, and a quick quote on Popular Mechanics ...
"It comes as no surprise that Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation. As fictionalized in Orson Welles' acclaimed film Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst wrote the book on cronyism and yellow journalism and Popular Mechanics hasn't bucked that tradition.
The magazine is a cheerleader for the sophistication of advanced weaponry and new technology used by police in areas such as crowd control and 'anti-terror' operation. A hefty chunk of its advertising revenue relies on the military and defense contractors. Since the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and in the future Iran all cite 9/11 as a pretext, what motivation does the magazine have to conduct a balanced investigation and risk upsetting its most coveted clientele?
Popular Mechanics' March 2005 front cover story was entitled 'Debunking 9/11 Lies' and has since become the bellwether reference point for all proponents of the official 9/11 fairytale.
Following the publication of the article and its exaltation by the mainstream media as the final nail in the coffin for 9/11 conspiracy theories, it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
This means that Benjamin Chertoff was hired to write an article that would receive nationwide attention, about the veracity of the government's explanation of an event that led directly to the creation of Homeland Security, a body that his own cousin now heads.
This is unparalleled nepotism and completely dissolves the credibility of the article "
beleive vaccines cause autism-yes
Even Jenny McCarthy had to back off that one as every single study showed zero link. You kinda proved my point that what you beleive doesn't need any relation to facts or data, especially that which contradicts what you want to believe.
It comes as no surprise that Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation. As fictionalized in Orson Welles' acclaimed film Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst wrote the book on cronyism and yellow journalism and Popular Mechanics hasn't bucked that tradition.
Yes it is. However, it seems that when you have to turn to fiction to prove your point, you might not have a point. Let's take a look and see, shall we?
The magazine is a cheerleader for the sophistication of advanced weaponry and new technology used by police in areas such as crowd control and 'anti-terror' operation.
Currently on Popular Mechanics website...
How new metrics are changing baseball
iPad Hands on review
iPad ettiquete handbook
6 New Cars Under $20K From the New York Auto Show
Goodbye, NUMMI: How a Plant Changed the Culture of Car-Making
Mexico Turns to U.S. Private Sector for Drug-Busting Technology
Lost Wrongly Blames Head Trauma for Sudden Language Loss
When April Fools Day Pranks Backfire
How to Build a Backyard Treehouse
Nissan Juke Preview at the 2010 New York Auto Show
Assault Breacher Vehicles Beat Bombs in Afghanistan
2010 MV Agusta Brutale 1090 RR
How to Fix Sagging Car Doors: Saturday Mechanic
2011 Ford Mustang GT Test Drive
Medical Helicopters Need Better Safety Standards—Now
Fake Products and Companies Certified by Energy Star
6 Weeks To a Perfect Lawn
How a Hurricane Wavemaker Works (With Video!)
Orbital Upkeep: International Space Station Home Improvement
What Sprint's New HTC Evo Says About The Post-iPhone World
Space Travel: The Next 50 Years
EV Test Drives
Solving the Fuel Crunch
As Seen On TV!
Mythbusters Central
New Movie & TV Tech
What's Your DIY IQ?
Oh yeah, it's clear these guys are pushing the industrial military complex. Out of 27 articles online, 2 dealt with weapons. A whole whopping 7%.
And I am shocked that a magazine that is published is owned by a publishing company. Shocked I say. Shocked.
I'm pretty sure you thought you had a point in there, but it looks like it crumbled and collapsed in on itself, it imploded inside it's own footprint...almost in freefall...JUST LIKE THE TWIN TOWERS!! OMGZ!!!11!!eleventy!!1! You clearly were behind 9/11! (see, isn't using logical fallacies, false reasons and tenuous connections fun!)
Oh, and by the way, Ben Chertoff is not related to Michael Chertoff. So, you know, you pulling out that idea and collapsing it in on itself is clearly proof you were responsible for pulling WTC7 and IT collapsing in on itself.
Wild accusations for the win!
I think it's doubtful the structural steel melted before collapse. Though the initial explosion was surely above the melting point of steel, as soon as the pressure returned to atmospheric (within a few seconds), almost all materials burn in air somewhere between 500-800F. Jet fuel burns at 550F at 1 ATM for instance. Temperatures don't get any hotter unless the environment is pressurized.
The melting temperature for steel is between 2000-3000F depending on carbon content. I agree the fire insulation was probably blown off, which means the steel would have heated up to several hundred degrees within minutes instead of hours. Thermal fatigue occurs, particularly at connection points, but I have doubts the temperature was hot enough for austenitization (atoms rearrange into a weaker structure) of the beams to occur. (1200+ degrees for several hours depending on carbon content)
During the collapse itself no doubt the atmosphere became super-heated to several thousand degrees at which point temperatures were hot enough for steel to melt and many materials to simply vaporize. This accounts for why parts of the rubble temperature remained several hundred degrees for days following the collapse.
The real unknown in all of this is we don't know what structural damage was done in the initial jet crashes. My opinion (from just the little I've read) is the towers could have withstood the crashes alone, or the fire alone, but the combined stress from both structural and thermal damage was just too much.
Do any of the 9/11 questioners also question the moon landing, by any chance, or think that vaccines cause autism? Or read Popular Mechanics?
-------
and...what's your point? If someone questions any of those things - what's your point? Are you insinuating that Popular Mechanics is somehow the God of all knowledge? The points they printed were all investigated and questioned by others, and when scheduled for an on air interview with a scholar who argues the points PM made - the author pulled out of the interview. He didn't show up to back up the points he made in PM and I don't know if he ever did. Does a vaccine cause autism? Some doctors think there's a link some don't...but when you hear of cases like Pizer conning the masses and getting away with it just because they can - why would you just roll over and believe every thing you hear...just because they make sure you hear it? It's healthy to question and it's healthy to be skeptical and it's healthy to make your own decisions from many sources.....sammieswife.
By Daniel Tencer
Friday, April 2nd, 2010 -- 4:51 pm
Becky McClain, a molecular biologist from Deep River, Connecticut, filed a lawsuit against Pfizer in 2007, claiming she had been wrongly terminated for complaining about faulty safety equipment that allowed a "dangerous lentivirus" to infect her and some of her colleagues.
The Hartford Courant describes the virus as "similar to the one that can lead to acquired immune deficiency syndrome, or AIDS." Health experts testified that the virus has affected the way McClain's body processes potassium, which they say causes McClain to suffer complete paralysis as often as a dozen times per month, the Courant reports.
McClain's lawsuit (PDF) asserted that Pfizer had interfered with her right to free speech, and that she should have been protected from retaliation by whistleblower legislation.
Pfizer challenged her assertion, claiming McClain only started complaining about safety problems once her employment was terminated, the Associated Press reports. Pfizer also claimed to have investigated McClain's claims about safety violations and found them to be untrue, according to theNew London Day.
On Thursday, a jury in a US District Court in Connecticut disagreed with Pfizer, granting McClain the $1.37 million, as well as punitive damages, meaning the total amount could be much greater.
The WorkersCompensation.com Web site says the ruling is being "considered the first successful employee claim in the biotech and nanotech industry."
Workers' rights advocates are pointing to the McClain lawsuit as "evidence that risks caused by cutting-edge genetic manipulation have outstripped more slowly evolving government regulation of laboratories," reports the Courant.
McClain's lawsuit says she was exposed to the experimental virus repeatedly between 2002 and 2004, and when she lodged complaints about it, her supervisor said he would "falsify her future performance reviews and he told her they would be negative, and he threatened her in an aggressive fashion following the plaintiff’s repeated complaints regarding safety. He forcibly backed the plaintiff into a wall during one encounter."
'TOO BIG TO NAIL'
A report at CNN about a separate legal matter involving Pfizer states that the Department of Justice considered Pfizer to be "too big to nail" in an investigation of the company's illegal marketing of the painkiller drug Bextra.
CNN reports that, if Pfizer had been prosecuted over the drug, the company would have been excluded from doing business with Medicaid and Medicare. But because federal officials considered the company too big to be exempted from working with the government health programs, a dummy corporation -- Pharmacia & Upjohn Inc. -- was set up, and that dummy corporation then pleaded guilty to the crime.
"P&UCI sold no drugs and had no real employees, and its creation was simply a figleaf to allow a Pfizer entity to take the rap without harming Pfizer itself," explains Jim Edwards at the Bnet business blog.
Pfizer is the world's largest drugmaker, with annual revenue around $44 billion.
Jenny McCarthy had to back off that one as every single study showed zero link.
---------------
Yes...and she, along with many, many, many others have also come out and claimed success with strict diets and behavior modification. Yet a lot of parents don't go along with that program because it's labor intensive on their part - especially the behavior modification. Many, many doctors won't go along with her method either because there is no money in it for them - ditto counselors, therapists, special ed workers, teachers..there's a whole industry that has grown up around autism. Does that make all of the Jenny McCarthy's crazy now because what they do is against the norm? Apparently.
sammieswife.
