by sammielee24 217 Replies latest members politics
Ben Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff - just call up his mother and ask her. sammieswife.
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Tip: Ben's mom told me that Ben is a "cousin" of Michael Chertoff, the Sec. of DHS. Ben's mom, Judy Dargan, can be reached in Pelham, New York, where Ben graduated from high school in 1998. Judy told me that Ben's dad is Larry Chertoff. I think he is a senior executive with the NY EPA and deals with water issues, but I have not confirmed that. (interview )
and...what's your point? If someone questions any of those things - what's your point?
My point is, that unless you have an idea how how things work, your knowledge and experience will fail you. "OMG the fire wasn't hot enough to melt steel!" = "The film in those cameras would have melted in the heat of the sunlight on the moon!". The "common sense" you rely on in everyday life hasn't prepared you for the experience you are trying to use your common sense and intuition against, so you can't instinctively KNOW something is wrong, there are all sorts of things you have to know and understand that the average person doesn't.
That was my point. And to make fun of people that think the moon landings are fake.
Are you insinuating that Popular Mechanics is somehow the God of all knowledge?
Ah, the old trick to try to make it look like I am saying something I ain't. Nice try, but fail. Never said or insinuated it and if you thought I did, you really need to brush up on the reading comprehension.
Does a vaccine cause autism? Some doctors think there's a link some don't...but when you hear of cases like Pizer conning the masses and getting away with it just because they can - why would you just roll over and believe every thing you hear...just because they make sure you hear it? It's healthy to question and it's healthy to be skeptical and it's healthy to make your own decisions from many sources.
Multiple studies done by many groups, large independant studies. No link. Just sticking your fingers in your ears and going "OMGZ BIG COMAPNY CAN HAZ BAD DRUGS KILLNNG EVARYONE CONSPICARY CAN"T PROVE IT DOESN"T AXIST!" isn't a healthy way to question. Which is pretty much what a lot of the moon, 9/11 and autism beleivers do when evidence that doesn't fit their pre-defined narrative does.
Again, you don't use science to prove you are right, you use science to become right.
Yes...and she, along with many, many, many others have also come out and claimed success with strict diets and behavior modification. Yet a lot of parents don't go along with that program because it's labor intensive on their part - especially the behavior modification. Many, many doctors won't go along with her method either because there is no money in it for them - ditto counselors, therapists, special ed workers, teachers..there's a whole industry that has grown up around autism. Does that make all of the Jenny McCarthy's crazy now because what they do is against the norm? Apparently.
Well gee, I never said any of that so it must be your opinion. BTW, IF that is your opinion, it would seem that therapists would make more money since behavior modiication would take more time than just prescribing a drug. That means more visits, more money, more special ed teachers needed. Yet you think they are against because...doing nothing makes them money? Perhaps you didn't think your cunning theory all the way through.
Ben's mom told me that Ben is a "cousin" of Michael Chertoff, the Sec. of DHS. Ben's mom, Judy Dargan, can be reached in Pelham, New York, where Ben graduated from high school in 1998.
Tip, the family also said that if they were related, it was from the 19th century in Europe and that they had never met. Darn followup and facts gettin the way of hit and run quote mining!
Do any of the 9/11 questioners also question the moon landing, by any chance, or think that vaccines cause autism? Or read Popular Mechanics?
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----- Your question was taken with the scorn and derision it was intended. I answered it in response to that intent - Stay out of the kitchen! sammieswife
re you insinuating that Popular Mechanics is somehow the God of all knowledge?
Ah, the old trick to try to make it look like I am saying something I ain't. Nice try, but fail. Never said or insinuated it and if you thought I did, you really need to brush up on the reading comprehension.
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Again, your intent was quite clear. The meaning was not lost - your condescension masked as some sort of superior arrogance and enlightenment, also evident by the way in your response, is without question. sammieswife.
hich is pretty much what a lot of the moon, 9/11 and autism beleivers do when evidence that doesn't fit their pre-defined narrative does.
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-----Boy, I'd say you sound an awful lot like one or two other posters on here ...but I digress...perhaps pot calling kettle black are you? sammieswife.
LOL....like that Wikipedia don't you? Again, people writing the articles cancelled interviews with those who questioned the data in the articles - if they were too frightened or unsure of the accuracy of their reporting, I can see why - if they were sure of what they wrote and able to stand their ground, there would be no reason to stop the interviews. I have not followed it through to see if any interview took place years later.
Chertoff's mother answered the question when asked - that's where the information came from. She never said 'distant' until after that interview was already aired and somehow the statement was changed. You can't fault anyone for relaying information that came from the source - that was a FACT when she said it. sammieswife.
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Because the manager of public relations for Popular Mechanics didn't respond to repeated calls from American Free Press, I called Benjamin Chertoff, the magazine's "senior researcher," directly.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist – the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
Perhaps you didn't think your cunning theory all the way through.
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No theory at all. I worked in a related field - sammieswife.
Oh yeah, it's clear these guys are pushing the industrial military complex. Out of 27 articles online, 2 dealt with weapons. A whole whopping 7%.And I am shocked that a magazine that is published is owned by a publishing company. Shocked I say. Shocked
Yeah 'Popular Mechanics' is just an innocent little old magazine that just writes articles about the latest technologies, why would anybody think that there is a connection between them and the military industrial complex and the government, oh boohoo.
Yeah then why did they launch a major campaign against the 911 truth attacking a Political movement what does that have to do with the latest technology in watches or stereo headgear?? They didn't stop with articles in their magazine attacking 911 truth ohhh noooo they go on Political talk shows like the Glen Beck show ridiculing and attacking 911 truthers, gee Glen Beck's show has nothing to do with technology.
RGB: How and why the WTC collapsed is clearly something within the scope of popular mechanics. It has immense puplic interest and that is why they brought the articles. If popular mechanics had agreed with your view, would you still talk about them in the same way?
Instead of an Add-Hominem, perhaps you should consider the technical questions instead? this IS about the evidence and physics, not politics, right?
