Free will could have existed quite nicely with a myriad of options available for these free-will entities to freely choose from, with all of these being equally good.
Moral apologists for the creator will explain away evil by submitting that the potential for evil is a necessary consequence of free will. Wrong!
by gubberningbody 34 Replies latest jw friends
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PSacramento
Define good?
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THE GLADIATOR
Evil is just a word. As is good, bad, God, righteous... Evil is a subjective reaction to events on our little planet that we find inconvenient or hurtful.
The universe has free will. Stars come into being and stars die. Galaxies appear and expand. Meteorites crash into planets and sometimes destroy them. Reality happens. Life on earth is part of the same pattern. It is neither good, bad or evil it just is.
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PSacramento
Gladiator is correct, an earthquake in the middel of the pacific is just that, but on an island and killing 100k people, it is a "natural disaster'.
The universe is the way it is because it can be no other way.
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Mall Cop
The Stuff Of Thought. How the mind works in the way we use words. Every time we swear, we reveal something about humans emotions.
When we use innuendo to convey a bribe, a threat, or a sexual come - on ( rather than just blurt it out ), we disclose something about human relationships.
Our use of prepositions and tenses taps into peculiarly human concepts of space and time, and our nouns and verbs tap into mental modes of matter and causation.
Moral apologists use words that reveal something about certain core ideas, beliefs and concepts. Our language affects our thoughts.
We can get into trouble with the semantic niceties of our words. Why is bulk e-mail called spam?
Free will is a whole new stuff of thought. God is a whole new stuff of thought. Really what do we know about how the mind works, what is each ones agenda?
Blueblades
Our conversations , our jokes, our legal dispute paints a vivid picture of the thoughts and emotions that populate our mental lives.
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mindmelda
I like to hear people talk about what they believe in because it tells me more about them than it does about God.
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sir82
The universe is the way it is because it can be no other way.
I can imagine a million other ways to build a universe.
Why are you limiting God this way?
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PSacramento
I can imagine a million other ways to build a universe.
Why are you limiting God this way?
Limiting God?
Hardly, I am giving God his due.
You can imagine other wasy to build the universe?
Please share because it is right now, it is the way it is and nothing will chaneg that and there is a reason for that.
Change ONE of the constants of the universe and what do you think will happen?
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sir82
The opening post gives one way: Permit free will, but without "evil" as one of the choices possible.
Or build the universe so that if "evil" is chosen, it affects the chooser only, not billions of his descendants for eons of time.
Physical laws? Oh I dunno, how about a universe where "atoms" don't exist, matter is continuous.
Time travel would be a fun feature, I'd like to throw that in. Etc.
If I'm God, and I'm the one who can create the rules, I can do whatever I want, right?
Just because the current universe couldn't be "tuned" any other way and still exist, doesn't mean that other designs aren't possible.
Just because I happen to live in a house on the beach doesn't mean houses can't be built on a mountain.
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I quit!
I haven't figured it all out yet but when I do I'll let you know.