Prove bible teaches Resurrection right after the 'initial' armageddon.

by EndofMysteries 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    over those 1000 years, none of the chosen ones tells the left over crap what is gonna happen? what Satan will do? or even reads them a chaper from Revelation?

    The "leftover crap" is OUTSIDE the "City", dear PSacto (and peace to you!)... while Christ, the Tree of Life... and the "branches" of that Tree... God's house/temple (those who belong to Christ, both those who rule with him and those who are ruled over - i.e., the "sheep" separated from the "goats" (Gog, who IS misled)... are INSIDE the City.

    On another note, it seems to me that your "tone" and "perspective" regarding these things seems to be changing. What's up with that?

    And peace to you, again!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    On another note, it seems to me that your "tone" and "perspective" regarding these things seems to be changing. What's up with that?

    Peace to you always Shelby.

    Oh the tone was done on purpose, I have never been a fan of Revelation and how it is abused by people.

    Dual classes, sheeps and goats, Jesus allowing people to suffer and be manipulated, people never learning even though they are warned over and over, all this is great fun for some, not for me.

    Revelation has been abused by the WT and JW's to a degree that would make John of Patmos convert to Paganisim !

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Revelation 1:1-3 (New International Version)

    1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

    Blessings,

    Stephen

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Revelation is full of symbolisim and anti-roman propganda and then was converted, if no perverted, to apoclyptic literature as a warning of what COULD happen if people didn't get their act together,

    Some here speak of it as FACTUAL events that WILL happen, regardless of anythign that is done.

    *shakes head*.

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    PS, are you OK with the prophetic dreams and visions in the rest of the bible?

    How about those in the book of Daniel for instance?

    Are you OK with the other things that Jesus has to say and reveal in scripture?

    Revelation might be a tricky book in some ways but so are many other things in the bible.

    The false prophecies of the WT and their ilk are certainly not limited to the book of Revelation.

    Blessings,

    Stephen

  • tec
    tec

    What would you guys have talked about if the Romans decided that Revelation was not to be part of their Bible Canon?

    Maybe less people would have been around who put all the focus on what happens after death, and simply concentrated on living by Jesus teachings and example out of sincere love for God and mankind. Maybe people would have concentrated more on the here and now, rather than deciphering symbols in a prophetic book... (not to mention which parts are supposed to have been, are, and are to come)

    Or not.

    Many people seem to be determined to live according to what will happen after they die.

    As for armageddon, many people seem to miss the whole point about not knowing when the end is coming. If we live according to the love of God and man that Christ taught, then the end doesn't matter to us. If we're changing our ways solely out of fear of punishment, then how can our love for fellow man be considered sincere?

    Sort of like this: In many restaurants, everyone gets all crazy when the health inspectors are due to be coming around. Clean! Take temperatures. Follow all safety guidelines! and all just in case an inspector comes today. Then, after the inspection and the pass, all the bad habits rear up again until the next time. None of these people were following safety guidelines out of concern for the health and safety of others - only to avoid the trouble that comes from failing an inspection - so people will continue to get hurt or sick.

    Does that make any sense, or do I sound like an idiot?

    Tammy

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    You make total sense, dear Tec (and the greatest of love and peace to you)!!

    YOUR servant and fellow slave of Christ,

    SA

  • tec
    tec

    Thank you, AGuest.

  • heathen
    heathen

    The WTBTS states that the dead are resurrected but don't come to life in respect to over coming their immoral ways and living in harmony with Gods perfect will . Kinda sounds silly to me but jesus is only in charge for the millenial reign , he is the appointed king and in charge of the resurrection ,it's his choice who gets life and gets everlasting abhorrences . Personally I think the earth is in really bad shape at the beginning of millenial reign and would need time to be restored to paradise as was before adam and eve . The continents would have to be connected and the earth back on the same course around the sun to do it . That's if the sun doesn't explode .

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    The WTBTS states that the dead are resurrected but don't come to life in respect to over coming their immoral ways and living in harmony with Gods perfect will.

    Unfortunately, they're wrong, dear Heathen (the greatest of love and peace to you!). Their teaching is that there is only one resurrection when in fact their are two (the first, those who belong to Christ, just before the start of the 1,000 years... when he returns and gathers his chosen ones - those who died... and those who have not died and so will never die - the second, after (1) the 1,000 years have ended, (2) Satan is loosed and (3) goes out to mislead Gog and Magog... who are (4) destroyed by fire from the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself, after which (5) Satan is hurled into the Lake of Fire, after which (6) my Lord turns the kingdom back over to the Father, so that (7) the FATHER sits down on HIS throne... to judge... which is "Judgement Day"... which (8) starts with Him begin given scrolls (plural, as in more than one KIND... two, actually... the Book of Remembrance and Lamb's Book of Life - as well as more than one in number)... and THEN (9) the REST of the dead are brought back... some to life... and some to judgement... based on whether their names are IN the Lamb's Book... so as to have their sins, as recorded in the Book of Remembrance blotted OUT. And there is NO indication as to how long THIS entire process takes.

    Kinda sounds silly to me but jesus is only in charge for the millenial reign...

    Another lie. My Lord's rules as king... FOREVER AND EVER. It is his CO-rulership that is limited to "a thousand years". They rule WITH him... "for a thousand years." HIS rulership started in 30CE (no, not 33CE), when he was INSTALLED... and he has been ruling ever since. The ONLY time he does not rule is that period when he turns the kingdom BACK over to the Father... solely for the purpose of judging (because although he has AUTHORITY to judge... he does NOT judge)... after which the Father gives it BACK to him:

    “I kept on beholding until there were thrones placed and the Ancient of Days sat down. His clothing was white just like snow, and the hair of his head was like clean wool. His throne was flames of fire; its wheels were a burning fire. There was a stream of fire flowing and going out from before him. There were a thousand thousands that kept ministering to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand that kept standing right before him. The Court took its seat, and there were books that were opened. ... “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin. ... But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will take possession of the kingdom for time indefinite, even for time indefinite upon times indefinite.’ Daniel 7:9, 10, 13, 14, 18

    And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years. Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison,and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma´gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them. And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. And I saw a great white throne and the one seated on it. From before him the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha´des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. Revelation 20:4-13

    he is the appointed king and in charge of the resurrection it's his choice who gets life and gets everlasting abhorrences.

    The first resurrection, yes. The Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... "the judge of all"... is in charge of the general (second) resurrection.

    Personally I think the earth is in really bad shape at the beginning of millenial reign and would need time to be restored to paradise as was before adam and eve.

    So, you don't think "a thousand years" will do it, eh? Actually, it won't even take that long... as the PHYSICAL earth will only need to have its "curse" removed. Right? So, that time would not be for the restoration of the PHYSICAL earth. It would be for the restoration of MANKIND... back to being in God's image... rather than Adam's. How is that done? The "separation" of the sheep... from the goats. The sheep are invited into and so become a part of the "holy city." The goats... are cut off. They are not allowed "in" at all.

    The continents would have to be connected and the earth back on the same course around the sun to do it.

    No, see, that would be necessary if everyone was still flesh with ITS blood. Spirit beings (which is what all will become... when God become "all things to all")... don't need a physical sun:

    "And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God lighted it up, and its lamp was the Lamb. And the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. And its gates will not be closed at all by day, for night will not exist there. And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. But anything not sacred and anyone that carries on a disgusting thing and a lie will in no way enter into it; only those written in the Lamb’s scroll of life [will]. Revelation 21:23-27

    That's if the sun doesn't explode.

    Not to worry - apparently, there's one inside the earth, too (not that it would make a difference with regard to these things)!

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

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