Getting into Arguments with JW's... (page 13)

theMadJW

Then we all agree- and you have no arguement, NAC! It WAS a gesture of faith...to sacrifice his son! heh

not a captive

Abraham is not Jehovah. The record shows that he didn't know what was going on a lot of the time --The bible story book says as much. It says he didn't understand mMadJ.

Apparently you don't understand either. From the beginning you have insisted on vindicating a man's actions as though Abraham were more important than Jehovah. You have never indicated that you looked up the information in the books you said the brothers like to use. That is whatbegan this exchange. You said that JW's love to do research. MadJ you have not shown a steady concern for the topic: Why does the Society counter its own reasoning on child sacrifice when they know that this is contrary to God's own ways and teachings.

Worship the literature MadJ. But I know that Jehovah taught that giving yourself fully ,as a burnt offering , is not an empty gesture. This event elicited an action and an expression that could not be understood except through this event. But we are not agreeing if it still delights you to say that God didn't know the difference between one word and another. He did--but Abraham didn't until God stopped him.

I am done.

theMadJW

NAC, you have a very warped view of it ALL; that was before "burnt-offerings" were spelled out in the Mosaic Law- and Abraham simply DIDN'T have your 'superb' understanding.

I now understand why my brothers had a problem with you; you appear sincere, but with warped personal opinions that supercede the Bible and Reason.

Agape!

not a captive

Of course Abraham didn't understand at the time --that is precisely the point! Abraham had to attempt a new command. Abraham was the agent of change that Jehovah used, MadJ.

I don't claim an insight that Abraham didn't teach to "those of his household" when he wrote the account. The insight he had came after Jehovah intervened. There had to be a first time the concept was defined. Gen. 18:19

None of us could have understood what Jehavah was asking of us without this amazing experience.How would Jephthah understand what a true burnt offering was? See, for Abraham it wasn't an empty gesture as he co related it with the only point of reference he had at that time--killing. But the point was spiritual not carnal. Living for Christ is dying to ourselves. And you and I are supposed to be a burnt offering in just the same way that Isaac was. Roman 12:1,2 shows that this is so.

You know MadJ, the brothers that dealt with me were kind with only a few lapses. I have said as much. They recognized the name of God was more important to me than anything else. The references from the Bible and also the larger context of his giving his son but not killing his son is the accurate reading of John 3:16.

What the scriptures actually have written would free Jehovah from the mire of contradictory interpretations, the lies that exist in all churches--not just the Witnesses--about God capriciously abandoning of the principles he was trying to teach us humans. Most people inside and outside the churches don't trust the old testament God.

The real issue in the end was that the brothers couln't let simple reliance on the Bible and Holy Spirit would allow a person to understand what Abraham had obviously conveyed to others. Jephthah got it, Jesus got it, Paul got it and doubtess many others. Why am I not allowed to understand it?

They made it clear that the issue was not Jehovah--for they were not concerned nor did they address that. They wanted me to wait for the Slave to say it.

Thanks for the agape--same to you. Maeve

theMadJW

Weird! I see no difference in our views! You appear to be upset over NOTHING!

Jehovah planned to send His son to die, and wanted all to understand the sacrifice HE was going to make.

So plain, So simple.

You manufacture an imaginary problem!

theMadJW

Any more Arguements???

shamus100

Kiss me!

theMadJW

No arguement there, Shamed one.

moshe

When he asked what I liked most about the assembly, I replied, "The lunch was nice.

jgnat, A Jew couldn't have come up with a better comedic comeback!

JW's run from any personal discussion. I remember many years ago I was out of town working- so I picked KH to visit. After a few meetings I got a conversation going after the bookstudy about bad JW PR in the news media. Where their any things that JW's do that make people upset with us? Man you should have seen the study conductor go apeshit when some of the sisters started to vent about stuff they didn't like- first one , then two then three sisters- The elder had heard enough, he stood up in the middle and stopped it all- time to go home!

shamus100

Argument: Kiss me!

Argument: No argument....

this sounds like a monty-python sketch.

Kiss me!

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