Getting into Arguments with JW's...

by ForbiddenFruit 159 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • not a captive
    not a captive

    Dear Mad,

    I posted to a question of yours on another post (which you haven't read or answered) when I happened to run across your comment above.

    You say they love research. Not so. I researched ,using the Bible and our reference material and the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. The outcome was not what you would expect.

    It took a year of meetings with elders, a letter to the Branch and more meetings. Though I had never run afoul of the brothers in 21 years of baptism i hit a wall here. No one did any research. If you call repeating script without any thinking at all. The only thing they could say was that we only learn the Truth through the Faithful and Discreet Slave. I pointed out that our own literature was corroborative of the consciencious conviction I had reached over many years of research. The elders treated me with respect for the most part when they met with me on the matter. Except for one . He was the one who warned me that if I were not careful I would "loose out". I asked this question,"Are you telling me that I cannot affirm the words that the Bible uses in this account?" this brother answered "No, you have to say what is in here." And he put his hand on My Book of Bible Stories.

    Now, only one brother said it. I asked a second one if he would tell me to do the same. He wouldn't answer me. But no one contradicted theat one statement. I learned in all the subsequent meetings and correspondence that the only concern from the CO and the Branch and the elders was not Jehovah's Character. No one would do any Bible study or research with me . They just asked me to recognize that the Slave gave us the Truth.

    I am determined to let God be my judge. I don't argue with JWs The brothers said I couldn't talk to anyone in the congregation about my research.

    No, they do not research. Not even the Branch had any compelling material. The corporation answered my letter. But was it the Faithful Slave? No it was just some ordinary person like myself who answered without even signing a real name . Just "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses"

    Face it, It is a corporation--not the Body of Christ. They don't search out the truth. They just cover up for themselves.

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    The fact of the matter is, at the very least, by being here theMadJW is not loyal to the organization and does not follow their direction or cousel. He's in the same boat as the rest of us, he's just still pretending.

  • wobble
    wobble

    Dear ForbiddenFruit,

    A warm welcome to the board !

    When I first started my fade a keen newly appointed M.S who had been a friend for years, came round to my house several times, determined to "re-adjust" me.

    In the end he asked me to give him my top-ten questions, or things I needed explained, and he would get back to me. He never has, so though I just trotted them out they must have been difficult for him, in fact 11 popped on to the page, and I said "to be continued", but of course he has never answered the 11.

    Here they are, if of any use to you and others, please feel free to copy or adapt :

    1) False Prophecies (yet claim to be Jehovah's Spokesman.)

    2) Doctrinal Changes (yet claim to be Spirit Directed)

    3) Do not care for Widows and Orphans

    4) Do not baptise into the name of The Father ,Son and H.S.

    5) Tamper with text of the Bible (i.e inserting name "Jehovah" in Revelation with no reason)

    6) United Nations association as a NGO. (lies after the event)

    7) Paedophile cover-ups (should not Spirit have directed them ?)

    8) Shunning of family members (D.F. ing) scriptural basis ?

    9) Doctrine of FDS.

    10) 1914 What scriptural proof is offered for the thousands of times they claim this is the year Jesus set up the Kingdom ?

    11) Making changes from printed versions of magazines when they appear as bound volumes, why cover up what was "present truth" at the time ?

    Now I simply ask the JW.s to prove from the Bible the 1919 appointment of the Rutherford Gang , if they cannot do that, then the present day religion and its Governing body have no mandate , and are liars.

    No one has come back to me to prove the 1919 thing, I have left that with two Elders and others.

    Good luck, be careful if you don't want to be DA'd or DF'd , don't let them trap you with two witnesses etc. ask them for answers to your problems, don't state what you believe.

    Wobble

  • Psychotic Parrot
    Psychotic Parrot

    Sorry, but theMadJW is not for real. His/her posts are like j-dub charactures. Most j-dubs aren't as stupid as he/she is.

  • sspo
    sspo

    Ask them how come Jesus or any of the apostles used God's name The watchtower inserted it 200+ times

    and remind them about what Revelation says about not adding to or take away from the Bible.

    Also let them show you from the bible where does it say in the Greek scriptures that there are 2 hopes for Christians...

    great crowd for the earth and 144k in heaven!

  • theMadJW
    theMadJW

    NAC- I don't read long-winded replies, or I would never get ANY work done (I'm self-employed). So I skim the CNPs, and long repliess.

    If you just get to the point, or these Questions you feel we are afraid of- I would LOVE to hear them, and hopefully find an answer for you & I!

  • theMadJW
    theMadJW

    1) False Prophecies (yet claim to be Jehovah's Spokesman.)

    Mad: Again the deception. Not false PORPHECIES, but false
    SPECULATION as to what God's prophecies mean. It's
    called being human. The Apostles and early Christians
    all made such mistakes.

    2) Doctrinal Changes (yet claim to be Spirit Directed)

    Mad: What 'doctrines' are you referring to? Prophecy ideas?
    When we first organized ourselves, it took time to
    shake ourselves free from the Church Coprolite we
    had all been programmed to believe.

    3) Do not care for Widows and Orphans

    Mad: Oh, really? I and my brothers do. The basis for your
    judgement? We don't ring bells and set up shelters?

    4) Do not baptise into the name of The Father ,Son and H.S.

    Mad: REALLY? Where'd you get THIS? And, btw, what IS the
    Name of your Ghost-God?

    5) Tamper with text of the Bible (i.e inserting name "Jehovah"
    in Revelation with no reason)

    Mad: No Reason. heh. You have no understanding of translations,
    nor who God is, thus such a vain accusation.

    6) United Nations association as a NGO. (lies after the event)

    Mad: Lies? Are you are NGO member? Or are you just gulping
    down what anti-JW sites say?

    7) Paedophile cover-ups (should not Spirit have directed them ?)

    Mad: Ditto from above: gulping down what anti-JW sites say.
    We never have, never will.

    8) Shunning of family members (D.F. ing) scriptural basis ?

    Mad: Now THIS I agree with! It is absurd, and I DON'T follow
    it. I have a family member who was DFed, and am still
    very close to him!

    9) Doctrine of FDS.

    Mad: How ambigous can you get?

    10) 1914- What scriptural proof is offered for the thousands of
    times they claim this is the year Jesus set up the Kingdom ?

    Mad: Daniel, Revelation, and the signs Christ gave.

    11) Making changes from printed versions of magazines when
    they appear as bound volumes, why cover up what was "present
    truth" at the time ?

    Mad: Nothing wrong with THAT, however, there is NO SUCH
    THING as "Present" Truth- it is or it isn't. The term SHOULD
    be our Present UNDERSTANDING!

    see- www.theMadJWs.com

  • Kum Vulcan
    Kum Vulcan

    MadJW, are you trying to siphon off traffic and backlinks for your site's SR rankings?

    You seem to be fairly tech savvy - your GB masters are surely frowning upon it.

    Don't forget the Holly Spirit may be diming you out as you type/lurk here .

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    I'm still puzzled as to why informing me that JWs don't try to convert parrots is meant to be a clever retort? I'll try not to lose any sleep over figuring that out.

    Anyway, as soon as you demonstrate why you don't see how 1914 is derived by only using the Bible, they get annoyed and finally disgusted with you and I haven't been bothered by Witnesses in years about doctrinal matters.

    Doctrinally, they're way out on some limb where believing that just because you're radically different in some ways from "Christendom" that God loves you best.

    Simply because some Christians turned into a murdering bunch who decided that Christ put a sword in their hand to destroy anyone who didn't cough up their lands and riches to them doesnt mean you teaching ideas equally unprovable and illogical as 2+2 =6 makes you right.

  • theMadJW
    theMadJW

    No- BUT I do want more to get involved with it; fallacies NEED to be exposed!

    One YOU can relate to: In 1919 Jesus says "Well DONE!" to a small group of men....that were just getting STARTED! heh

    Hoo-BOY!

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