Do JW's cherry-pick what to find offensive? Is it hypocricy?

by Terry 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • blondie
    blondie

    Thanks Leolaia for confirming what I had posted on another thread on 4-22-10. I always appreciate your thorough research.

    Clayton Woodworth tried to get it changed but Rutherford finally vetoed it.

    http://www.archive.org/details/theCalendarOfJehovahGod**

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/124676/1/The-Calendar-of-Jehovah-God

    I will say that if you check the one website** you will find that Woodworth was allowed to put 3 articles in the Golden Age exposing the rank and file to this concept as an official position before Rutherford backed off. So it was after the fact when things did not go the way Rutherford expected that he took a negative stand.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/192178/1/Why-do-jws-use-the-names-of-the-months-and-days

  • inbetween
    inbetween

    regarding the original post:

    Well, I always thought like this: using days and months named after pagan Gods has nothing to do with worship.

    the line of reasoning, at least the part, that was logical to me is like this: because of the command, not to mix true and false worsip, it seems consistent not to celebrate Christams and easter for example.

    Why ? because both, Christmas and easter, have a clear religious touch in connection with Jesus Christ, while on the other hand are heavily influenced by pagan traditions, therefore original true worship seems to be contaminated over the centuries through pagan rites.

    On the other hand, I never (even as full believer in WTS) understood the stance on birthdays, toasting, etc...

    those things are not part of any worship, they are just traditions, like a wedding ring or a pinata, and even though having pagan roots (like almost anything today) it does not contamnje worship, because its outside any religious application today.

    If the WTs would go this way, it would be more consistant, well, anyway it should be a conscience matter.

    Above all, for none of this things there is a reason for disfellowshipping anyway...but thats another story.

  • Terry
    Terry
    The Governing Body spreads their hypocritical and contradictory stances through the various pages of Watchtower Society publications. Unfortunately, many Jehovah's Witnesses don't see it. However, let's make it crystal clear with a little research on Piñatas

    And playing CHESS!!

    I'll never forget when a stupid article in (Awake! was it?) the Society's publication came out condemning the playing of Chess.

    I could not believe it. How incredible! The reason? It was JUST LIKE WAGING WAR on a battlefield!

    Warped and controlling minds at work! Contrarians. Holier-than-Thous.

    And always inconsistent.

  • trebor
    trebor

    And playing CHESS!!

    I'll never forget when a stupid article in (Awake! was it?) the Society's publication came out condemning the playing of Chess.

    I could not believe it. How incredible! The reason? It was JUST LIKE WAGING WAR on a battlefield!

    Sadly...My brother actually stopped playing Chess in part due to this. He was excellent at the game and even played city-wide finals.

    Even in the 'smallest' ways the Watchtower Society has such a negative effect on the lives of people.

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Of greater concern to me are the trappings that WERE to be avoided and are NOW ok: Pinatas, for example.

    Or, whose false religion precedents are conveniently ignored: Wedding party dress, for example.

    In the 60's there conversations by the brothers in our congregation about the false gods commemorated in the calendar - IIRC, the point was made that they had LOST THEIR RELIGIOUS CONNECTIONS, especially for Christians. Seems like that sort of thinking should be applied more.

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    I understand the WTBS's stand on the celebrations of Xmas and Easter and birthdays....in retrospect I do...these are the times for families...family bonding time...if you remove them then family members are more able to draw apart ....= success...the org is more important to them than family values...=simple...=terribly sad....

    Loz x

  • Bangalore
    Bangalore

    Here is the chess article,Terry.

    *** g73 3/22 pp. 12-14 Chess-What Kind of Game Is It? ***

    Chess-What Kind of Game Is It?

    THE world championship chess tournament in Iceland last summer suddenly created widespread interest in chess. Millions began either talking about the game or playing it.

    "Business is fantastic," reported an American chess-set manufacturer. A salesman at a leading New York city bookstore said: "Our chess books just sat on the shelves before the Fischer-Spassky tournament. Then everything took off. They went from the slowest to the fastest-moving items in the store."

    In some countries great interest already existed in chess. Its popularity in Russia, for example, rivals that of football or basketball in the United States. Also in China, hsiang chi, the Chinese version of chess, is one of the country's favorite games. Reportedly, more books have been written about chess-nearly 20,000-than all other games combined!

    Why is there such interest in chess? What makes the game so intriguing to so many persons?

    A Complex Game of Skill

    A major appeal of chess is its complexity, which can be fascinating. Chess and checkers are played on the same kind of board-one that is divided into sixty-four squares, with eight rows of eight squares each. But in chess there are so many more possible moves. For example, there are reportedly 169,518,829,100,544,000,000,000,000,000,000 ways of making the first ten moves! ‘But how are so many different moves possible on a board of only sixty-four squares?' one might ask. This is due to the different kinds of pieces used in chess and the variety of moves each can make.

    In chess there are two opposing players, each having a set of sixteen pieces, or men. These include eight pawns, two knights, two bishops, two rooks (sometimes called castles) and a king and a queen. These six different kinds of pieces each have different values or strengths, reflected by the variety of moves each can make.

    The pawns, for example, can ordinarily move only straight forward, one step or square at a time. Rooks can move any distance forward, backward or sideways in a straight line, as far as their path is clear. Bishops, similarly, can move any distance in a straight line, but only diagonally. Knights, unlike other pieces, can only make an L-shaped movement. The queen, the strongest piece on the board, can move any distance forward, backward, sideways or diagonally, as far as her path is clear.

    The purpose of this array of pieces is to defend their king and to attack the opposing king. The game is won when one of the kings is "checkmated" and can no longer be successfully defended. The player with the checkmated king is thus forced to surrender, ending the game.

    So, then, it is the difference in mobility of the various pieces that makes possible such a tremendous variety of moves. Some say that the game's complexity and dependence on player skill make chess appealing to those whose secular work does not come up to their intellectual capabilities. "In chess there is no chance element," explains Burt Hochenberg, editor of Chess Life & Review. "You can't say the ball took a bad bounce."

    Highly Competitive Game

    However, pitting one mind against another, with the element of chance eliminated entirely, tends to stir up a competitive spirit in chess players. In fact, chess is frequently characterized as an ‘intellectualized fight.' For example, dethroned world chess champion Boris Spassky noted: "By nature I do not have a combative urge. . . . But in chess you have to be a fighter, and of necessity I became one."

    This helps to explain why there are no topflight women chess players-the more than eighty chess grand masters in the world are all men. Actress Sylvia Miles observed regarding this: "To be a professional chess player, you have to be a killer. If the spirit of competition in American women ever does become that strong, then I think we'll get some major female players."

    The spirit of competition in chess may be stirred to fever pitch, which is reflected in chess players' attitudes and language. "There's no comparison in any other sport in the attempt to destroy your opponent's psyche," explains chess player Stuart Marguiles. "I never have heard anybody say that he beat his opponent. It's always that he smashed, squished, murdered or killed him."

    True, players with which one may be acquainted may not use such language. But, nevertheless, the spirit of competition between players can lead to unpleasant consequences, as the New York Times last summer reported: "Most families manage to keep the inevitable conflicts that arise in games to the chessboard. But in some homes, tensions linger long past checkmate."

    Of course, chess is not, in this respect, much different from other competitive games. Participants who desire to please God, regardless of the game they are playing, need to be careful that they do not violate the Bible principle: "Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another."-Gal. 5:26.

    However, there is something else regarding chess that deserves consideration.

    Relation to War

    This is the game's military connotations, which are obvious. The opposing forces are called "the enemy." These are "attacked" and "captured"; the purpose being to make the opposing king "surrender." Thus Horowitz and Rothenberg say in their book The Complete Book of Chess under the subheading "Chess Is War": "The functions assigned to [the chess pieces], the terms used in describing these functions, the ultimate aim, the justified brutality in gaining the objective all-add up to war, no less."

    It is generally accepted that chess can be traced to a game played in India around 600 C.E. called chaturanga, or the army game. The four elements of the Indian army-chariots, elephants, cavalry and infantry-were represented by the pieces that developed through the centuries into rooks, bishops, knights and pawns. Thus the New York Times, August 31, 1972, observed:

    "Chess has been a game of war ever since it was originated 1,400 years ago. The chessboard has been an arena for battles between royal courts, between armies, between all sorts of conflicting ideologies. The most familiar opposition has been the one created in the Middle Age with one set of king, queen, knights, bishops, rooks and pawns against another.

    "Other conflicts depicted have been between Christians against barbarians, Americans against British, cowboys against Indians and capitalists against Communists. . . . It is reported that one American designer is now creating a set illustrating the war in Vietnam."

    Probably most modern chess players do not think of themselves as maneuvering an army in battle. Yet are not the game's connections with war obvious? The word for pawn is derived from a Medieval Latin word meaning "foot soldier." A knight was a mounted man-at-arms of the European feudal period. Bishops took an active part in supporting their side's military efforts. And rooks, or castles, places of protection, were important in medieval warfare.

    Thus Reuben Fine, a chess player of international stature, wrote in his book The Psychology of the Chess Player: "Quite obviously, chess is a play-substitute for the art of war." And Time magazine reported: "Chess originated as a war game. It is an adult, intellectualized equivalent of the maneuvers enacted by little boys with toy soldiers."

    While some chess players may object to making such a comparison, others will readily acknowledge the similarity. In fact, in an article about one expert chess player, the New York Times noted: "When Mr. Lyman looks at a chessboard, its squared outlines dissolve at times into the hills and valleys and secret paths of a woodland chase, or the scarred ground of an English battlefield."

    When one considers the complex movements, as opposing chessboard armies vie with each other for position, one may wonder whether chess has been a factor in the development of military strategy. According to V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar, it has. In his book War in Ancient India he examined this matter at length, and concluded: "The principles of chess supplied ideas to the progressive development of the modes and constituents of the army."

    The Need for Caution

    Some chess players have recognized the harm that can result from playing the game. According to The Encyclopædia Britannica, the religious reformer "John Huss, . . . when in prison, deplored his having played at chess, whereby he had lost time and run the risk of being subject to violent passions."

    The extreme fascination of chess can result in its consuming large amounts of one's time and attention to the exclusion of more important matters, apparently a reason Huss regretted having played the game. Also, in playing it there is the danger of "stirring up competition with one another," even developing hostility toward another, something the Bible warns Christians to avoid doing.

    Then, too, grown-ups may not consider it proper for children to play with war toys, or at games of a military nature. Is it consistent, then, that they play a game noted to be, in the opinion of some, an "intellectualized equivalent of the maneuvers enacted by little boys with toy soldiers"? What effect does playing chess really have upon one? Is it a wholesome effect?

    Surely chess is a fascinating game. But there are questions regarding it that are good for each one who plays chess to consider.

    Bangalore

  • Terry
    Terry

    This quote is priceless manipulation! This is really reaching...

    Some chess players have recognized the harm that can result from playing the game. According to The Encyclopædia Britannica, the religious reformer "John Huss, . . . when in prison, deplored his having played at chess, whereby he had lost time and run the risk of being subject to violent passions."
  • dgp
    dgp

    Marked.

  • blondie
    blondie

    This came out during the Bobby Fischer craze in 1972 and many US citizens, young and old, including jws, were seeing chess in a way they had before or since.

    Membership in the United States Chess Federation doubled in 1972 [ 213 ] and peaked in 1974; in American chess, these years are commonly referred to as the "Fischer Boom."

    World Championship Match

    Main article: World Chess Championship 1972 Fischer (at right) playing Spassky in 1972

    Fischer's career-long stubbornness about match and tournament conditions was again seen in the run-up to his match with Spassky. Of the possible sites, Fischer's first choice was Belgrade, Yugoslavia, while Spassky's was Reykjavik, Iceland. [ 192 ] For a time it appeared that the dispute would be resolved by splitting the match between the two locations, but that arrangement fell through. [ 193 ] After that issue was resolved, Fischer refused to appear in Iceland until the prize fund was increased. London financier Jim Slater donated an additional US$125,000 to the prize fund, bringing it to an unprecedented $250,000. [ 194 ] Fischer finally agreed to play. [ 194 ]

    The match took place in Reykjavík from July through September 1972. [ 195 ] Fischer lost the first two games in strange fashion: the first when he played a risky pawn-grab in a drawn endgame, the second by forfeit when he refused to play the game in a dispute over playing conditions. [ 196 ] Fischer would likely have forfeited the entire match, but Spassky, not wanting to win by default, yielded to Fischer's demands to move the next game to a back room, away from the cameras whose presence had upset Fischer. [ 197 ] [ 198 ] The rest of the match proceeded without serious incident. Fischer won seven of the next 19 games, losing only one and drawing eleven, to win the match 12½-8½ and become the 11th World Chess Champion. [ 195 ]

    The Cold War trappings made the match a media sensation. [ 199 ] It was called "The Match of the Century", [ 200 ] [ 201 ] [ 202 ] and received front-page media coverage in the United States and around the world. [ 203 ] [ 204 ] Fischer's win was an American victory in a field that Soviet players had dominated for the past quarter-century, players closely identified with, and subsidized by, the Soviet state. [ 205 ] [ 206 ] Dutch grandmaster Jan Timman calls Fischer's victory "the story of a lonely hero who overcomes an entire empire". [ 207 ] [ 208 ]

    Fischer became an instant celebrity. Upon his return to New York, a Bobby Fischer Day was held, and he was cheered by thousands of fans, a unique display in American chess. [ 209 ] He was offered numerous product endorsement offers worth "at least $5 million" (all of which he declined) [ 210 ] and appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated. [ 211 ] With American Olympicswimming champion Mark Spitz, he also appeared on a Bob Hope TV special. [ 212 ] Membership in the United States Chess Federation doubled in 1972 [ 213 ] and peaked in 1974; in American chess, these years are commonly referred to as the "Fischer Boom." Fischer also won the 'Chess Oscar' award for 1970, 1971, and 1972. This award, started in 1967, is determined through votes from chess media and leading players.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer

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