by truthseeker12 42 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Truthseeker I was a JW from 1971 and thats the first time I have heard that they "disfellowshipped" a non-baptised person.
Only a baptised JW can be disfellowshipped.
What they called "unbaptised publishers" were not, they could be stopped from doing the preaching work,
and congregation told so. Maybe you were "marked" but you could not be disfellowshipped.
Truthseeker 12.
Syl
Welcome truthseeker12! You seem to be well on your way to true mental freedom.
I noticed this statement:
I have proven to myself that Jehovah Witnesses don't have the whole truth and what is worse is some of the preaching are from satan
Keep studying and you'll eventually find that Satan is just another fiction created by authority figures to instill fear and guilt as a means of control.
About disfellowshipping non baptized: I was disfellowshipped maybe they did wrong against there rules but I even called myself that because they called me disfellowshipped. I am in Scandinavia so it was not in your country. They had an article about it in watchtower 1988 or 1989 that it was no longer OK to disfellowshipped non baptized. After the so called new light had come they could only say that this non baptized person are no longer associated with the assemble.
In my case they read up the message in the assembly at the Kingdom hall that I was disfellowshipped.
About the teaching that I think the watchtower are right in:
1. I will research the hell teaching more...still I personally have understand god as the loving god. He can not treat humans like that. If they don't want to be the creators "children" they have the choise to die not to be tortured....eternally. That is a teaching from the devil. He makes light to dark and dark to light. He is a lier...still I will research :-)
2. I don't know who will go to heaven. According to the bible it is the people who should rule with jesus christ....and I know it is a watchtower teaching but I think they are right in this....but it is not the Jehovahs witnessess and certainly not the people selling awake and watchtower...I think it must be the 12 disciples (the first followers of christ) and in each of their family line more people. It has nothing to do with Jehovahs Witnesses and their teaching with who will take part of the wine and the bread.
3. About UN. I am not the only one believing this. There are a lot of people who are not witnesses and are even ateist believing this. And they are screaming world government every day on the news now. It is hard to not find articles in this directions...every day...
4. Yes you could be right on this I have also read this. Still he should be the king in the kingdom of god and for at least 1000year while the earth will be restored? Or do you have another understanding of this?
5. :-)
6. Yes I know it is a watchtower teaching. I do not agree with them that it is the Jehovahs Witnessess kingdom and that they are the only survivors etc...that is not the true armagedon from the bible. Still if you think about t he creator. He is a mathematical god...he is thinking logical. He thought his creation was good. Satan and the humans destroyed it and some day he will restore his creation. There are no reason for keeping the earth as it is. Let us human kill each other and when we die we will go to heaven. There are no logic behind this. This is a teaching from many different religions. and I don't understand what should we do in heaven. We are created for life on earth. The nature is created so we can have benefit from it etc...
I don't think even if the watchtower are not the so called truth I can still accept a teaching if I find it true. If somebody says a lot of true things not everything needs to be true and if someone says a lot of lies not everything needs to be a lie.
Keep studying and you'll eventually find that Satan is just another fiction created by authority figures to instill fear and guilt as a means of control.
I don't know how you make a quote...so I just made it in another color.
I believe that the heaven and earth are created by god. For me it is easiest to believe that the bible is the word of god because I am living in a western country and I grow up with it.
I believe that satan exist and I believe that Jesus is gods son. If those 3 caractars or any of them are not existing in real life. The bible would not be true, many humans would be very evil from nature and we have no hope except for this life.
The evil in the world that I found during my research are proof to me that satan exist.
How do you explain the evil in this world without satan?
KA
TS12: Are you talking about our JWs? cuz JW didnt Disfellowshiped unbaptized publishers. Maybe you need to read now the FLOCK book, is online :-)
Also since you are reading a lot Its time for you to read about who really wrote the bible. There is a book called just that "Who wrote the bible" by Friedman
I my case they read it up on one of the weekly meetings that I was disfellowshiped even if I was not baptized. I was born into it only and I have been taking part in the door to door activites. They must have done it in more cases then mine otherwise why would there be an article in the watchtower a couple of years later that it was not anymore OK to disfellowshiped unbaptized? In my case it was too late then the hurt have already been made.
Thank you for the tip, I have not read it so I am going to read it.
cyberjesus: the FLOCK book, is online :-) what did you mean by this comment?
KA
truthseeker12 stated:
Thank you for the welcome messages and yes I really like
education the only problem is I can't stop reading now:-
I am, for the moment, exploring gods name, and I think they
even have not said it right either.
I am happy to know that you have come out of the sectarian bonds of the JW organization. Many make a big deal of having the "correct" pronunciation of the holy name, whereas linguistical differences prohibit such a thought. The English form "Jehovah" is based on the Masoretic text, which many believes the vowel points were deliberated altered to remind one not to pronounce the Holy Name, although I know of no one who does not give some kind of pronunciation to the Holy Name, whether they pronounce it Yahweh, Yehowah, or change the pronunication to titles such as Adodnai, the Lord, God, Power, the Eternal, Ha-Shem, etc. "Yahweh" comes to us based on some ancient Greek manuscripts. Thus, the two most common forms of the Holy Name in English are "Yahweh" and "Jehovah". Trying to determine the original pronunication of the Holy Name will only prove fatal, short of a direct revelation from the Most High Himself, which I do not expect until the Millennial age; but then there is no scripture that says the Holy Name has to be pronounced only as it was originally pronounced -- this is man's thoughts.
http://name.reslight.net/
-- I have written much more on this, and will, Yahweh willing, be posting more on the site soon.
Christian love,
Ronald
truthseek12 wrote:
Eustace Mullins are talking about "Jehovah" in one of his books,
and I am sure Fritz Springmeier is talking about it. I have not
yet found the book "Be wise as serpents" however, I have read
the book "Watchtower and the masons".
There are many people who write all kinds of things. I have read Springmeier's books, and, as far as Russell is concerned, he quotes many things out of context and contorts and distorts what is said to make it appear to support his theories. Likewise, with the symobolisms that Russell used, Springmeier using his spirit of human imagination to connect this with the Freemasons.
Although I do not agree with all of his conclusions, I would recommend that you read Raymond Franz' books, "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom".
http://biblestore.reslight.net/index.php?s=raymond+franz
I haven't read anything of Eustace Mullins, so I cannot comment on him.
Christian love,
Ronald
