ring of truth

by sayitsnotso 53 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • yknot
    yknot
    But what about the idea that JWs have experienced more growth than these other religions and thus this shows they have God's blessing. Therfore they must be God's organization. This is what type of claims are made in the Proclaimers book as regards other religions or splinter-groups compared to JWs.

    Sweety...... numbers can be tweaked.

    Do you also believe that many hours are really spent in FS?

    We have a good sales pitch for those who are experiencing crisis...... we act like we have all the answers.

    Additionally the Pew Report (who the Awake July 2009 quoted no less!) says we have the lowest retention rates!

    63% of those born/raised identify themselves 'no longer JW'........and the remaining 37% of us who do stay.....aren't uber-loyal either, they in fact encompass inactive JW who still identify themselve JW, conscious class who attend and a relatively small number who fully believe!

    I am of that 37%.......... !!!!!

    http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-full.pdf

    Awake quote:

    ** g 2/09 p. 30 Watching the World ***
    ? According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, “44% of adults have either switched religious affiliation, moved from being unaffiliated with any religion to being affiliated with a particular faith, or dropped any connection to a specific religious tradition altogether.”—U.S.A.

    However do you know they didn't print from that same sentence (Yellow not mentioned/green quoted)...... well read for yourself!

    More than one-quarter of American adults (28%) have left
    the faith in which they were raised in favor of another religion
    – or no religion at all. If change in affiliation from one type
    of Protestantism to another
    is included, roughly 44% of
    adults have either switched religious affiliation, moved from
    being unaffiliated with any religion to being affiliated with
    a particular faith, or dropped any connection to a specific
    religious tradition altogether.

    LOLz did you know that we (JWs) are not considered part of 'protestantism', they are talking switching from 'Lutheran to Methodist or Baptist....... so what possible point is there to reference this statistic? ...

    Well simply put it is .......because by removing the Protestant reference it gives encouragement both to R&F and converts that switching to the JWs is quite common, normal even!

  • sayitsnotso
    sayitsnotso

    As difficult as it is to realize it, it was all a fantasy.

    This is what is hardest for me. All my hopes and dreams are centered around the idea that I'll live forever in a paradise. I mean everything! This is why I am having doubts about my doubts, not matter how reasonable, legitimate, and logical the "negative" doubts are. I hate cognitive dissonance. Makes me want to take another serveral month break from thinking this way.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    I mean everything!

    Please believe us, when we tell you that there is life and happiness on the other side of this. Most of us have been where you're at. Keep reading, researching and praying. You'll reach a point at which your 'freedom of mind' will be tremendous. You'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. You'll have the strength to move forward in a new course.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    I mean everything! This is why I am having doubts about my doubts, not matter how reasonable, legitimate, and logical the "negative" doubts are.

    For rational people, there are certain things that once seen, cannot be unseen. Certain bells that once rung, cannot be unrung.

    This is a common stage of the process of gaining freedom from the witness domination. Great rewards (intellectual honesty, and personal harmony, for two) will overcome any negativity in time.

  • yknot
    yknot
    This is what is hardest for me. All my hopes and dreams are centered around the idea that I'll live forever in a paradise. I mean everything! This is why I am having doubts about my doubts, not matter how reasonable, legitimate, and logical the "negative" doubts are. I hate cognitive dissonance. Makes me want to take another serveral month break from thinking this way

    It is hard, gut wrenching and hellacious!

    You have diagnosed your own problem 'Cognitive dissonance'......... that is a step, a major one!

    What do you want to believe?

    I still keep some of my JW beliefs.....

    Some I am just not ready to deal with .....(like my pet lion and getting old or shiver the thought of DYING in this system!)

    Take one step at a time........don't bite off more than you can chew!

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    I know, its hard. I spent a whole freaking week in bed without getting up when I realized that, it was just last year. look at my posts. WE ALL experienced it, its gonna be hard and tough. But they you will be happy because now you have your brain and your life back. Now you can live your life and enjoy it without wasting it, and waiting for paradise, when there is none.

    You are free to think. Free to live. You wont be a Robot anymore.

    Crisis of Conscience is a must read. Combating mind control .... next, Then you can continue your search for Reality.

  • yknot
    yknot

    Most of all keep in mind........ YOU ARE NOT ALONE!

    Many are going through this in congregations across the Westernized world.

    For all you know we attend the same KH!

    Take deep breaths, let it wash over you, let others comfort you, talk about what you are feeling and thinking......

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Sayit,

    I wanna ask you something, when Jesus said the king dome of God is HERE and in US, what do you think he meant?

    When he said that He would abide in Us and Us in Him and God in Us and Us iN God, what do you think he meant?

  • sayitsnotso
    sayitsnotso
    I wanna ask you something

    PSac, I can only tell you the WT thoughts to that sense that is all I have. Becuase I have no idea. It would talk a ton of research in that subject alone for me to give you an answer.

  • sayitsnotso
    sayitsnotso
    For all you know we attend the same KH!

    I just wish I could tell who these fellow 'cognative disoance' suffers are. To bad it would be near impossible to do that.

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