They clothed themselves with fig leaves because they are large. They wouldn't have covered much with an apple leaf. And I believe that Jesus was a mushroom.
How error entered the religious world
by hoj 27 Replies latest watchtower bible
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PrimateDave
Eating (and drinking) in the Bible is figurative of partaking of a message.
Not always. Certainly depends on the context. Most of the time eating and drinking mean just that and nothing more.
You are just another person with a fixation on Satan. We get so many on this board. The Watchtower Society certainly encourages that kind of fearful thinking. And we also get lots of religious fanatics with their own brand of truthiness who never make the effort to read some real Biblical Scholarship.
Maybe Leolaia will post a comment on this thread. Now THAT would be an interesting read.
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darth frosty
Still would like to know how you explain gods words in gen 3:22?
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EndofMysteries
Do you all notice, in Gen 3:22, after time infefinite is a _". There are several "key" points in the bible with that, and it seems there was some further notes there that had been eliminated. That is not one of those from just the NWT but all.
If anyone has been also onto this, John 4:1-2 may stick out (well the entire chapter). Even if these have been deletions, the truth is coming out, been finding it, it's pouring. It's either going to expose a lie and falsehood, or going to clarify and fix a twisted understanding.
Back to Genesis though........other then a 'lie' hoj, the tree could very well be the knowledge of good and evil, and that being told what was holy and spiritual to man, and being that man could never live up to that, that sin entered him, and the more he knows or is aware of wrong doing, the faster and more powerful it works. Like when Jesus said, you think by searching the scriptures, you'll find life, that the law itself doesn't give life, it just manifests sin.
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another possibility, it's related to the 'two witnesses', the 'ark of the covenant', the 'two cherubs'. Because God's voice was in the 'midst' of the two trees.
The question if you investigate that stuff, will very soon be, "How deep does the rabbit hole go?"
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cyberjesus
I get a lot of Text "messages" on my phone but still I dont feel drunk... Wait a sec. what is this thread about?
Welcome new prophet! You will find some of your peers on this board.
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hoj
Mad Dawg and anyone who wants to take the garden account literally, I have some questions.
What is a literal tree of life or tree of knowledge of good and evil?
Was the talking serpent literal?
How was it as according to Ezekiel that Pharoah king of Egypt was in the garden of Eden if Adam and Eve got kicked out before they had kids and nobody was able to get back in?
Also according to Ezekiel king of Tyrus was in the garden.
How was it that a river flowed out of the garden and divided into four heads? Rivers never do that, but rather come together to continue as one.
Where did this source river come from if it hadn't rained yet? It must have been quite a river to supply four rivers.
How is it that because Adam sinned it causes everyone to sin without exception. Is it like it became hereditary or something? I just don't see how it happens. Yes, I know, we are just to believe it is so. But it makes a lot of sense as according to allegory that error entered the religious world through teachers partaking of error and then teaching it to the new teachers. The error is duplicated in the churches and reinforced and expanded on in seminaries.
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tec
Actually, I enjoy the new thoughts on what I consider an allegorical story. I don't know if I agree with this take, but its food for thought. I do believe that whatever the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented... that knowledge, once learned, could not be unlearned. Which is why that knowledge of good and evil got passed on to everyone who descended from Adam and Eve.
The result of that knowledge (and disobedience) was spiritual death.
The cure/ransom is Jesus (the last Adam). Belief in Jesus takes away that spiritual death and gives spiritual life.
Tammy
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hoj
Darth, that is a good question. The rest of all the details make good sense according to my understanding. I don't want to feel like I am forcing something to fit, but I sort of feel that way with that verse. The way I make some sense of that verse is that God is saying that Adam and Eve have become as gods, and that should mean that they became creators. The only thing that they would be able to create is doctrines using the error they partook of. In that way they became gods.
It reads like God put them out of the garden. My feeling is that leaving the garden would be a natural consequence of partaking of the error. Because they partook of error they wouldn't go to messengers with the truth anymore. That message wouldn't make sense anymore. Their message now is as a flaming sword. As an allegory it isn't going to state clearly that they left on their own because they partook of error. That can be the reason it says that God put them out of the garden because they became as gods. It has to make sense without giving up the mystery of the allegory.
I think that verse is at least as much of a problem when you take it literally or with any other interpretation.
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VoidEater
The metaphor begins to break down with the gender reversal.
I think Leo did a pretty good job tracing the "tree" from earlier mythforms - the two trees (knwoledge and life) being the two aspects of godhood (omniscience and immortality).
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Nathan Natas
Fruit trees mean messengers, and flaming swords mean basketball.
Two springs flowed out of Eden, one of sweet water and one of sulfur water.
Man was never meant to be constipated, and that's why nettles have thorns.
The volcano to the east of Eden is where Cain invented the ritual of "luau" which originally consisted of men receiving messages from pigs and chickens and fish, but was later corrupted to be the simple eating ritual it is today. "Poi" is Hawaiian for "matzoh."
Adam sinned by letting Eve talk him out of watching basketball. That's why we have to paint our garages today.
It's all so SIMPLE, man!