My story and help needed.

by frigginconfused 26 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Chalam

  Cagefighter Dude, find another group of believers that are doing things that you can support and join up. The JW's poision you to think no one else can do anything good. You haven't drank that poision yet thank God.

  I agree! However, I think it is clear that to much poison has been drunk already, see below.

  frigginconfused I struggle with this everyday. My bible study is a waste of time. Everytime they come over I get sick to my stomach. I know I can never be a JW with the way things are run now. But I desperatley need to be with people that are as devoted to intergity and love as much as I am. What should I do? Every day is a struggle for me to stay alive. I feel like giving up.

  You need to give up, on the JW thing at least, it isn't working and never will.

  Take the advice and find some born again believers

  John 3:3 (New International Version)

  3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

  You can't see a thing with the JWs, there is no light within the wall of the WT, there are no windows.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Scottiebear7

  Here's my two cents, for what it's worth:

  Frigginconfused, you are too focused on believing that a group is where you will find your spiritual calling. I agree with you, most organized religions start off ok, but then downgrade as the influence of man takes hold. Instead, I would recommend finding God within yourself, because He does dwell within all of us.

  Do some scientific research... there is no more earthquakes, volcano eruptions, wars, etc. than there was 50 years ago, 100 years ago, heck, even thousands of years ago. Religions always play on this "fear" of the world coming to an end through God's wrath. Especially "End Times" religions such as the WTBTS. It's all baloney.

  Take a look at nature around you, and the grand design that God has created. While I don't believe in organized religion, I do believe in a higher power being able to masterfully architect the things we see all around us in the world. We actually live in a really cool place we call earth, and people just need to open their eyes to see the beauty all around us.

  So, yeah, take a step back man, and chill a bit. Get professional help if you think that's what you need. But also take into account the beauty of the world around you, because its there, staring us in the face every day.

  ~Scottiebear
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  frigginconfused

  snowbird This tells me you're Black.

  LOL. Very good guess but Im white. This made it even harder for me growing up there.

  Everyone thank you so much for your encouragement. Here is more about me so I can further help you understand my problem.

  I know I have PTSD. I see doctors for it regularly. I am also on meds. I still have problems and they resurface sometimes. But overall I am a very chill person. So please dont think Im always frantic like this.

  I do have a relationship with God and Jesus. Its this relationship that makes it so hard for me because I want others to be at peace and I dont see it anywhere.

  Scottiebear7 As far as there being no more earthquakes and things of that sort. Its not the frequency. Its how they are happening. This is different. Plus there are more people in concentrated areas than before so the effects are greater. For the first time in human history we are truely a global community. The worlds economies are more and more linked as the years go by. I see the stage being set for the end times.

  However I am not a doomsday type of person. I just believe we are nearing something big.

  I dont want to join another religion. Its not nice people Im looking for. Its aware alert people who refuse to be part of this selfish commercial world. I live with integrity that I dont see anywhere else. Not tooting my own horn, just being honest. I will not lie to people even for small things. I go out of my way to help where I can, and I have a huge spiritual connection to the universe.

  Im doing everything I can to get mentally better but I have the ability to do more spiritually. I feel like if people stood up to the GB and took responsability for their religion they could take over and push out all the "iffy" stuff they teach. You never see former JW's start a new religion and it be as successfull as the WT. It seems like God is with them, but now its time to stop ther controll game and really open up to God. I dont think small groups of individuals that are seperate faiths but believe Jesus' message is the answer.

  I feel like what needs to happen is a movement of people that put their foot down and refuse to give in to the evils of the world. Something big and overt. Like the hippy movement. Peace and love stuff. But more intelligent and organized.

  When my children ask me when Im going to do certain things I answer, "when its time". At first they dont like that. But I explain that in order for me to make my desition I am waiting for things to happen first. So its driven by my waiting for things to be right for me to act.

  I feel that this is why no one knows the end except God only. He is waiting for things to get where they need to be in order for everything to be right. This thinking leads me to believe that we actually have controll over when the end comes. I bet if there was a people organized together saying the right things it could spark the end. I am looking for that group.

  Seems to me that the right type of people are in the WT. If the GB were to stop controlling and set everyone free the right type of people are already in a group ready to be lead. The rest of us saw right through the crap and are on here. Many of us on here would be great at waking the blind followers up. If we rejoined the JW under this new type of organziation we could be the type of group that makes news headlines and really stands out in the world. Thats what I was talking about making love as big as an item as terror in the news. If all 6 million plus all of us that have left the JW got together we could really make a difference.
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  SAHARA

  frigginconfused you said "I fought in Iraq and saw first hand the state of the world today. Every part of my soul screams out that the end is near. I feel a pull to do something about it but dont know what to do.

  In no way am I making light of the things you witnessed in your experiences in the Military so please don't misunderstand what I'm about to say. Every generation from the beginning of time has seen and witnessed injustices, confusion, war, famine, deseases (The Black Plague comes to mind when over 75 million people died through no fault of their own), suffering beyond comprehension, things that would shake anyones faith in the ability of man to govern himself. We are only human and fallible and, sad to say, capable of causing the sorry state of affairs we constantly find ourselves in. Yet, we are also capable of love, compassion, remorse, charity, we can forgive and ask for forgivness and we can and do bring about renewal. But what we can't do is making everyone think the same way. Isn't that what mind control groups do. You really don't want that do you? You are a believer then I'm sure you know that whenever the end comes, if there will be an end that comes, it is not in your control. You yourself cannot stop it. You are one person with no say in this matter whatsoever. However, you are in control of your own actions and how you respond to things that happen to you. Life isn't fair, I'm sure you know that, you have suffered, and perhaps you feel wronged, you are right. Offer your own unjustified suffering up to God and control your own actions by spreading the love you have inside. I believe that God love us all, yet he is also intimately concerned with you and from what you say, you want that intimacy too. You already have it inside of you. If you are so convinced that all religions are wrong because they are run by "men", well, not sure what to say about that because you will always, always be limited in your spiritual associations. That might be the first thing I would re-think. Just my thats bro...
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  frigginconfused

  SAHARA I get what youre saying about the black plague and there always being injustice. But I see this as different. Its like all the players in a chess match are in place. I feel we as humans are at the point where we are going to destroy ourselves or God will step in.

  Im not saying everyone should think the way I do.

  What I am saying is that there needs to be an organized group of people that refuse to live in the way humans are living. If the GB would admit they are wrong on putting dates like 1914 out there and just focus on what Jesus taught, they would be something special.

  Like I said... I like the basic idea of hippies. Love, peace, living in harmony with nature. If you do research some of the merry pranksters you can see that some stayed true to this when the whole hippie movement died out. They live off grid with no or very little carbon footprint. They are loving and happy. I think many of the JW's out there would really like a simpler way of life more focused on love.

  I didnt give my background to make myself seem as a crazed war vet. I wanted to establish that I know how bad man can be. But I also know how good we can be.

  I would like to see a movement with God as the focus but us taking personal steps to actually do something about the way things are. My way of doing that passively without trying to controll others is start communities that are examples of how we should live.

  I like how simple and not part of the world the amish are. But they take it to the extreme.

  I liked the hippies but they were too political and drug motivated. Plus free love (promisquity)is not healthy for the people or children involved.

  Things like the solar decathalon in DC are what Im talking about. Leadership by example. They arent running around cursing everyone who isnt off grid. But they are showcasing the really cool innovations that these different schools come up with.

  The WS cant showcase itself because of the underlying controll factor.

  So what Im getting at is, the world needs a forum for intelligent discussion. A place where the collective has input on making things constantly better. If the GB would listen to the things many of you say on here I think the true religion could finally be brought forth.
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  SAHARA

  frigginconfused - I get what you're saying and completely agree, I think that's what we all want. A world where love, understanding, tolerance, compassion and forgivness reigns. But one thing I think that you are over looking is the reality of evil. Yes, I'm talking about Satan and he is every believer in Christ's common enemy. Believers in Christ all wish to avoid the snares of Satan. If you believe that Satan is real, then you know that he is at work tempting all of us. This is a spiritual reality. Many people, if not most people don't even believe Satan is real, let alone at work. I think that's what it comes down to here my friend. Satan is real and he works through the hearts and minds of people whether they know it or not.
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  frigginconfused

  SAHARA I agree totally! Thats why I cant understand why somethings not being done to openly appose Satan. The WS are too low key. I think Satan is being given more power than he should have because there isnt a religion out there that is banding together to strengthen one another. On the surface it looks like the JW's are like that. But they are too controlling for true worship. I feel like God needs more glory and its not happening. Im not a running scared pray for protection kind of guy. Im a f**k off, lets fight kind.
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  SAHARA

  frigginconfused - Honestly, I think one reason why "nothing is being done" is because no one, no Christian especially in the first few centuries, expected humanity to go on this long without Christs return and Christians everywhere have dropped their gaurd. This is one reason why the Watchtower Society still appeals to those disgruntled people who find Othodox Christianity to have fallen asleep and in spiritual darkness. This is a flawed rational in my view, but I understand why they think that. Lets face it, 2000 years of waiting and waiting have made Christians complacent in living out and teaching the faith, while JW's have not had to deal with that yet. But as time goes on without the end coming, they will gradually become more mainstream. I don't pretend to know all the answers but I believe that zeal doesn't change anything either...
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  yknot

  So you still want to the WTS to reform......

  I get that ...... I really really really get that ......

  Men in power do not give up their power willingly.......(consider the rich man and the needle's eye)

  Power, wealth and influence are addictive and intoxicating! I want you to imagine how the GB and heavies live. They are admired, applauded, and hailed at times to the level of creature worship (remember Losch available for pictures at the Hawaiian Zone!), they are gifted fine things and opportunities, while their utterances being followed by millions!

  It is a noble cause to be a good man........ to love what is right and good, desire to preach and educate.

  However the WTS speaks from both sides of it's mouth. It uses these fine example of good quality to force authority where none has been granted. In doing so they are no better than the LDS prophet or RCC pope or David Koresh for that matter. It is one thing to lead others to Christ, it is quite another to act as a christ (discern please that 'christ' is greek for ' the anointed').

  Think about this: There were organized religious structures in Jesus' day....... they upheld many fine things regarding the law and keeping the flock on the right course. However they too became drunk with authority to the point of abuse. Did Jesus reprove, refine or reform them? No he didn't instead he rebuked them harshly! Calling them vipers and saying their father wasn't Jah but Satan!........

  Have you considered looking into a local Bible Student ecclesia?
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  journey-on

  I have been ignoring my spirituall calling and because of this I cant hold down a job. I lost my wife. And I scare my kids too often.

  How so? People can follow their "spiritual calling" everyday without losing their jobs, marriage, or scaring their children. What exactly is happening that is keeping you from holding down a job?