The meeting did not go well.

by Danni 221 Replies latest jw friends

  • DazedAndConfused
    DazedAndConfused

    Yadirf, I have to reply now. (Thanks a lot).

    Joel said that what he saw regarding Danni's recital seemed to be true according to what he saw as a Witness. (Did you miss that point?)

    As a devout Witness I saw on many occasion in the Congregation I was in, this kind of behaviour. I was married to a man who was "up for Ministerial" staus, so I was in on a lot of situations the average person in the Congregation was not aware of.

    To say that threats and cussing were the norm, is to say that breathing is a normal function to living.

    Come on yardif, either totally accept all that is written and stay out of our lives or be somewhat accepting of the experiences that we have experieneced.

    Before I had "flashbacks" due to early sexual abuse I could not, and would not (make sure you see what is written) accept the other persons feelings on the matter. Come to find out.........it was not because I could not understand it........it was because I understood it TOO WELL.

    THINK.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Dazed,

    No. Yadirf got my point, you missed it.

    I respect Larc's opinion that this might be possible, although its sure a real stretch knowing the breadth of men that I knew as a Bethelite, pioneer and witness youth. By far, the majority were of a calm spirit.

    The main thing I find incredible is that any congregation's elders would agree to have a possibly explosive meeting with an interested people AT THE KINGDOM HALL and DURING A MEETING. At best, when they saw it getting out of hand they would have ended the meeting. I've never seen this situation ever, where an interested person who says they have questions are invited to a hall during a meeting for a discussion in the annex. I've NEVER seen it, therefore I personally find it hard to believe.

    Joel

  • cat1759
    cat1759

    Joelbear, Yordorf,
    I have seen this several times. Meetings during a meeting. OH yeah, especially because they didn't want to be alone and wanted the whole congregation to witness this, this makes it more more realistic when they do go to court. Especially if Danni didn't have a tape recorder.
    My father stepped down as an elder after working so hard to be one. His main concern was not being able to talk to me since I was smoking and if they found out I would be disfellowshipped. Like he told me before he died, how could I sit in judgement of others when I didn't feel what they did was wrong? His heart hurt for so many. My dad was a real human with real feelings. His last words to me on the phone saturday before he died that thursday were "Cath, I love you, find happiness no matter where it takes you."
    Why do we all look at Danni as she is making this up? The things that she stated rang so true about everything she said. At least in my case. They were going to disfellowship me for opening the back door because I let jehovahs spirit out. How wrong was that. Can you imagine my whole life flashing in front of my eyes, my family, everything I had ever worked so hard for all my life? Gone because they told me I didnt have faith, when the psychiatrist was well aware of what they might do and told me expressly not to let this happen as they had no right to take my son in the back room with out his parents there. Come on....they were yelling explicatives at me for my love of my son after they tell me that I made all this up. How could I make all this up...i didn't even no this shit happened to JWS. I was used to the six minute missionary position behind closed doors. I didn't even know that people gave oral sex to each other. I had never watched porn or been aware of what the world had to offer. How could I make anything up? The elders are not certified in child psychology, so who gave them the right to sit there in judgement on my son and I?
    If there were any statements danni made that didn't seem to fit I would find this whole thing out in left field. Everything she said, down to the children running around and the time the meeting started rang true to me.
    Why can't we all give her a hand and thank her for something she didn't have to do? It is not up to her to save us or the world, but she did the best she could.
    There are so many others who are still there putting up with the abuse because they don't want to leave the only thing they ever knew, as they know how apostates are treated. Everyone who doesnt agree with the religion is a dog returning to their vomit in their eyes. We all know, we have watched this several times in our stint as witnesses.
    These men thought they would come out on top and brush them off like they do everything else that doesn't fit their little box. They were wrong in this case. These two people proved stronger than they had hoped for.
    Good luck to you all...Danni and Darryl, you are the best. Don't lose your job over this, they will be exposed for what they are in a given time.
    Sincerely
    cathy

  • Mindchild
    Mindchild

    Yadirf and Joelbear...okay listen up guys. First of all, both of you have psychological motives for wanting to believe this story isn't true. When you read the original story, some things didn't ring true with you from your own life experiences. This made you even more skeptical and perhaps when you seen the lynch-mob mentaility that many expressed because of their anger and pain from the Witnesses this might have accelerated your being skeptical as well.

    Personally, I had doubts myself but I figured there was a lot more to the story than was being told here and that there was a reason it was not being told. My main concern were was Danni really a cop (I found out she was) and also how far we should be willing to go in confronting the Borg.

    I'm satisfied (after doing my own investigation and talking to individuals who had more information than I did about this) that there is no setup here and that the story is true. There were alterations in the settings of the story for good reasons. I suggest to both of you that if you really want to get to the bottom of things that you write to Dave (seven0060) by email who I know is an excop and address your concerns about the story in a clear one by one basis. Perhaps he can help you understand things better if you are really truly concerned about the validity of the thread.

    If you just don't like what happened here but believe it to be true, well that is your choice. I would hope though that you make an informed choice and not just buy into party line thinking. So do your homework now, rethink things, and then if you want state your view but don't expect to get much symphathy here if you think there is no child abuse going on in the Borganization and that they don't have a huge problem with the stupid Watchtower policy that allows for abuses to continue.

    Skipper

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    I have no motive other than the humble search for truth and helping others that I encounter on that path.

    Joel

  • seven006
    seven006

    Skipper.

    I appreciate the plug but I'd rather have a rattle snake crawl up my butt backwards to hibernate for the winter than to have yadirf email me with his delusions of sanity.

    There has been enough post's on this thread for any rational person to form an opinion by now.Yadirf is always going to believe exactly what he wants to believe regardless any proof of authenticity.

    Joelbear on the other hand is still trying to figure things out even though his blinders seem to slowly be going from translucent to opaque. Different strokes I guess.

    Dave

    PS: This ones for you Alan!

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Keeping an open mind to all trains of thought, even those abandoned in the past, constitutes having opaque blinders on?

    Joel

  • seven006
    seven006

    Joel.

    Read what I said, don't read what you want to see. I made a comment on an observation. That's it. Understand it any way you wish.

    I have the utmost respect for you and I see you are in a bit of a flux right now. No more no less.

    Take care,

    Dave

  • TR
    TR

    Joel,

    I've been to meetings at the KH when there was a private meeting going on at the same time. I remember at least two that ended up in yelling matches that the whole cong could hear. So don't say it doesn't happen, because it does.

    TR

    "YK is his name, false prophecy is his game"

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    I didn't say it didn't happen. I said I personally found it hard to believe.

    Joel

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