Say NO to a mosque at Ground Zero!! (page 4)

Justitia Themis

I have not read the book, but I am familiar with its thesis. Palmtree67, I appreciate your response, unfortunately, the fact that you refer to "Sharia Law" as if it is one form of law tells me that you have a surface knowledge of Islam.

Each version of Islam has a different form of Sharia law with different intepretations. Some for example say that the prophets statements regarding headcovering apply to today. Others say that those statements applied to only back then, because during that time period the umma was starving, their clothes were threadbare and women's bodies were visible through their clothing. Same verses; different interpretations.

That is why some Muslim women cover their heads, while others do not. Just like some Christians take blood, while others do not. But...people don't write books about moderate Muslims who practice moderate Sharia. :)

BurnTheShips

New York Post — The imam behind a proposed mosque near Ground Zero is a prominent member of a group that helped sponsor the pro-Palestinian activists who clashed violently with Israeli commandos at sea this week.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a key figure in Malaysian-based Perdana Global Peace Organization, according to its Website.

Perdana is the single biggest donor ($366,000) so far to the Free Gaza Movement, a key organizer of the six-ship flotilla that tried to break Israel’s blockade of the Hamas-run Gaza Strip Monday.

Nine passengers aboard the largest ship died in clashes with Israeli commandos, and a new confrontation loomed today, when another Free Gaza Movement ship was due to reach Gaza waters in defiance of Israel.

Efforts to reach Imam Abdul Rauf yesterday for comment were unsuccessful.

Deborah Burlingame, the sister of the American Airlines pilot whose hijacked plane struck the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, said the indirect ties of the imam to the protesters who confronted Israeli forces Monday were not surprising.

“I think it goes to show he is not the man he represents himself to be. We have two Imam Raufs,” she said.

“We have the anti-Israel, anti-democratic imam, and we have the smiling, soft-spoken moderate Muslim who says ‘Why can’t we all get along?’”

palmtree67

I have a little more than a surface knowledge of Islam. I have been informing myself for the last 20 years, long before it was "fashionable".

True, I haven't lived under it. But I've seen what others have warned about 20 years ago, gradually coming to fruition. I am very aware of the various forms of Sharia Law and how it is practiced in various countries. Unfortunately, it is the extremeist views of it that is being promulgated.

Islam and Sharia Law had a place and a purpose among the desert dwelling tribes who had to fight over watering holes to survive and when women were just grateful to be one of many wives so as to avoid becoming captured as sexual slaves to another tribe. However, it doesn't translate well to modern society.

To presume that the ultimate goal of Islam is reformation and acceptance of other religions displays an ignorance of Islam and the reasons it came into being.

Christian literature is full of repentence. Muslim scripture, society and history are devoid of it.

Since 9/11 there has been no collective Muslim outrage over terrorism, over the stoning of women in Iran, over the ethnic cleansing in the Muslim world of Christians and Jews, over violence and murder of those who are percieved to have insulted Islam.

It is the West that is dreaming of an Islamic reformation simply because it does not want to face the fact that they do have an agenda.

This is the burden of the good, humane and peace-loving, but committed Muslims.

Quillsky

Mary said

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And that is the the issue I have. People raised in Islam are people like you and I.

Get over it.

Gregor

There are some very naive people posting here who seem to be suckers for pro-Islamic piety. The joke is on them. The murder suicide religion would blow them up in a heartbeat.

palmtree67

As an aside:

A land that has a mosque built on it becomes Muslim land and must forever remain a mosque. Land acquisition for the purpose of building Islamic institutions is a major priority of the Muslim agenda in the West.

When non-Muslim citizens start asking questions and becoming skeptical about the calls for jihad and jihadists using the mosques as a base for their activities, Muslim leadership starts claiming discrimination, racism and misunderstood religion, suggesting that the host country needs education in what true Islam and Sharia mean.

Islam counts on natural humanity and basic decency of unsuspecting people and nations to accomodate their immigrant population and bend to their demands.

Example:

Airports in Kansas City, Phoenix and Indianapolis are among those who have installed foot baths for Muslim cab drivers. Yet these only exist in mosques. So why are Muslims in America demanding things that do not even exist in the majority of Muslim countries?

SacrificialLoon

Mary said

them

their

And that is the the issue I have. People raised in Islam are people like you and I.

Get over it.

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Would you use we and our? Do you use we and our when referring to JWs?

Gregor

Your avatar name fits you perfectly.

quietlyleaving

This part of democracy is the worrying part - where the majority have entrenched opinions based on emotion and superstition. Unfortunately reason does not always dispel hysteria and superstition.

Firstly the mosque isn't being built at Ground Zero as the thread title suggests. It is being built 2 blocks away.

Here is an article about the emotional fervour this issue is raising in NY. Stringer sounds reasonable imo

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/american-life/New-Yorkers-Divided-Over-Planned-Mosque-Near-Ground-Zero-95183039.html

Manhattan Borough president Scott Stringer is among many political and religious leaders who support Cordoba House. He was present at last week's meeting where members voted 29-to-1 in favor of the project.

"It's a non binding vote, so this was really about getting a barometer about what the lower Manhattan community wanted," said Stringer. "So what was clear was that the overwhelming majority of community board members thought that this proposal had merit. Build a cultural center. Make it interfaith. Have discussions about racial tolerance. Recognize that this is a community that took a hit after 9/11, and that we want to build it back.

He also defends himself against opponants who have attacked his decision to support the project. "There are haters. There are people from the Tea Party who attacked me and other individuals and tried to make this about bigotry and hatred," said Stringer. And the community, in giving a go-ahead, are saying, 'it's okay to explore this possibility.' And I think that is how we win the war on terrorism. We don't become like them. We're better than that."

I think Stringer makes an important point on winning the war on terrorism.

Additionally from an economic point of view how many millions do we spend on airport security, on the war against "terror" etc. I would not be surprised if this what is part of what has brought us to the edge of bankruptcy.

One fifth of the world population are muslim. Are you going to protect yourselves from all muslims for the rest of your lives. How much is that going to cost you?

Many oppressed people from all walks of life are becoming muslims. They are looking for a peaceful calm life while they wait for justice to be done. In this respect humanity is like a wave of the sea - even if walls are built the energy invested in the wave will eventually crash over and engulf whatever is on the other side.

HappyDad

To you assholes who are showing an inkling of pro Islam thought, maybe you should try becoming friends with them and see what happens. I don't know of any Buddists, Christians, Shintos, Jews, or any other religion that wants to see you dead and would gladly slit your throat because you are not one of them.

Move on, grow up and get a life!

HappyDad

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