Say NO to a mosque at Ground Zero!! (page 9)

Justitia Themis

Allowing this so called "Church or place of worship/mosque" would be similar to allowing Headquarters for the KKK in the middle of Harlem.

Nonsense. A similar analogy to yours is to say that no churches should be built in Harlem, because the KKK were Christians ( and used the Bible and their Churches to support their anti-black beliefs); therefore all Churches are offensive to blacks.

The people that attacked the United States practiced a twisted form of Islam, just like the KKK practiced a twisted form of Christianity.

I don't agree with the mosque for many of the same reasons as the moderate Muslims described in the Boston Globe article; however, your analogy is way off.

restrangled

Jusitia, you don't agree with my analogy and yet reaffirmed my point in your response.

Twisted reasoning from a religion, based on the Bible, Koran, or Talmud, that is used to abuse, threaten or kill people of a different religion or another race, does not deserve to set up shop in the midst of those they hate.

Especially where the followers of a certain religion or group have committed terrible crimes and destruction in our modern day life.

Some followers may be normal, but in most instances, these religions and groups act like a magnet for hate mongerers, holier than thou, feelings of superiority, etc. that in the end justify hate crimes.

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notverylikely

Jusitia, you don't agree with my analogy and yet reaffirmed my point in your response.

Twisted reasoning from a religion, based on the Bible, Koran, or Talmud, that is used to abuse, threaten or kill people of a different religion or another race, does not deserve to set up shop in the midst of those they hate.

No, her point was that SOME PEOPLE will use twisted reasoning, but that the majority do not. If they don't, like the people trying to build the mosque, then leave them be.

Especially where the followers of a certain religion or group have committed terrible crimes and destruction in our modern day life.

How recent do you define "modern day"?

Most Some followers are may be normal, but in most instances, these religions like Christanity and Islam and groups acts like a magnet for hate mongerers, holier than thou, feelings of superiority, racism, xenophobia, people that are ignorant, hear voices and have imaginary friends, etc. that in the end justify hate crimes and being a turd to the entire world.

Fixed that for you.

JWdaughter

Excuse me, but building a mosque in NYC is not equivalent to building a church in Mecca or Medina. For one thing, our country is supposed to be based on religious freedom and is not supposed to discriminate on the basis of religion. Saudi has never made such a claim. It is a Muslim nation and they are not ashamed of it. The US proudly proclaims #1 that we are NOT a Christian nation. #2 We are diverse, blah blah blah. Right.

There are mosques in people's basements in that part of the city. Would you rather they were meeting in a private home's basement or in a public building? If you are paranoid about the entire mosque idea at all (and many are) then a public, open one is definitely a safer bet than a group of disenfranchised angry people meeting in a dingy basement. And maybe (just maybe) this is an attempt to improve relations. Is there anywhere in NYC that anyone could build that mosque that folks wouldn't object to? Doubt it.

JWdaughter

I am on the second page of this thread.

You are amusing me. I live in a nation with Sharia law. I moved here willingly. I am not forced into Islam. I can go to a great big church if I want to. No, I can not proseletize. Dang. No one, not even my PALESTINIAN neighbor has tried to slit my throat lately. I do have a picture of me in an abaya and hijab for the day I visited the local islamic cultural center and visited a mosque. (Respect, people, I also cover my head in an orthodox church). Otherwise my head is bare and my shoulders and knees are covered when out of the compound I live in. Well, unless I wear a hat because of all the perfectly sunny days here. It is starting to get quite warm (110+ sometimes)

We have western universities, women attend classes with men are employed and respected. Women in fact are the most honored individuals in this culture. Mothers in particular. We can drink. We will be deported if we do a few stupid things, and we will be imprisoned if we go the way of one dumbwit who offered to sell secrets to Iran. No, it isn't paradise. I can't get bacon or buy vanilla. There is no papa murphy's and the BK doesn't taste like real BK. Other than a few glitches, it's a good place to live. 75% of the year it is like living in the perfect mediterranean climate. The water is the most amazing shade of blue green, and I can see Iran from here:) (JK PEOPLE! It is 150 miles across the Arabian Gulf-I can't see that far away:)

JWdaughter

Sorry, double post. Our internet here is kind of flaky:) And yet, I can still discuss religion in this country ruled by Sharia law!!! We do have porn blocked. No freedom there. Bummer for us.

Scully

JWdaughter

Thanks for your perspective, such as it is, from the comfort of the "compound" in which you reside. In all honesty, I don't see how being required to "cover up" to go outside your "compound" equates to women being "the most honored individuals in this culture".

It's all in how they get you to swallow the Kool-Aid... errr.... the brainwashing, I guess.

Living in a culture where honour equates with people being able to be who they are and speak their minds, without having to camouflage themselves in a full-body tent or politically correct language and behaviours, I would find it positively oppressive to live in a "compound" (or any other kind of ethnic enclave/ghetto) in order to be free to be who I am, and disguise myself to go anywhere else.

Stay safe.

whereami

HMMMMM......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg

Mary

Scully said: I don't see how being required to "cover up" to go outside your "compound" equates to women being "the most honored individuals in this culture". It's all in how they get you to swallow the Kool-Aid... errr.... the brainwashing, I guess. Living in a culture where honour equates with people being able to be who they are and speak their minds, without having to camouflage themselves in a full-body tent or politically correct language and behaviours, I would find it positively oppressive to live in a "compound" (or any other kind of ethnic enclave/ghetto) in order to be free to be who I am, and disguise myself to go anywhere else.

Amen Scully.

quietlyleaving

sounds neurotic - the video that is

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