The org tries to say the 70 years ended in 537BCE, an unsubstantiated claim and a reversal of what the scripture says would happen. The verse says the king would be punished when the 70 years ended (which he was in 539BCE- thus the 70 years ended) and THEN the Jews would return. What happened in 609BCE? Babylon overtook Assyria and became the dominant world power.
Help with another 607 vs 587 question............
by thraxer68 106 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Titus
World War I started in 1912.
70 years of servitude to Babylon began in 609 and ended in 539.
If we count 2520 years from 609 we have
608 yrs 3 months............................1 B.C.E. I 1 C.E..............................1911 yrs 9 months
And we come in the last months of 1912.
What happened in that year?
The World War I unofficially started right then. (for more information about that claim, click this: German Imperial War Council of 8 December 1912)
Brother Gerrit Loesch, this is history of your country, Austria. If you are reading this now, think about that!
TITUS de YUGOSLAVIA
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garyneal
Titus
Post 734
Unfortunately, your assertion must take into account biblical evidence as well as whether or not Jerusalem's destruction happen in 609 B.C.E.. The society claims that 2520 years passed since Jerusalem was destroyed. But if the 70 years does not take into account Jerusalem being destroyed for all of them then the Society is deliberately misleading us.
But the Bible gives us a clue on what year Jerusalem was destroyed. It was the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign (Jeremiah 52:12-14; 2 Kings 25:8-10) though both those passages give inconsistent dates. Was it the 7th day of the 5th month or the 10th day of the 5th month? For the purpose of this exercise, we're more interested in the year rather than the actual day.
So, was the 19th year of Neb's reign in 609 B.C.E.? If so, your chronology may be correct but there is no evidence to support it.
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Titus
Come on, it was joke!
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AnnOMaly
Post 1365
Jerermiah 25:9-11 most plainly states that Judah would not only serve Babylon for seventy years but wouls also be desolate for seventy years therefore the entire population would also be in exile for that same period. Such a honest account of history is also proved by the testimony of Ezra, Daniel, Zechariah and Josephus. Jeremiah in that prophecy also decreed that the Nations would also be made to serve Babylon but their respective histories in respect to Babylon does not supply any detailed chronology or history that refer to any specific fulfillment of a definite seventy year prophecy.
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garyneal
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You are mistaken for there are numerous sources that prove the correct interpretation of Jeremiah and they are Ezra, Daniel, Zechariah and Josephus. All of these souces refer to Jeremiah's propnecy of the seventy years and the collectively demonstrate that the seventy years was aperiod of desolation, exile and servitude to Babylon.
In reference to your second question regarding verses 12-14 these words refer to Babylon the city, its ruler and the land of Chaldea. This propnecy relates to the fate of this nation both ot its immediate Fall in 539 BCE and its eventual devastation in the straits of times. The prophecy began its fulfillment after 539 BCE or to be more technically correct after 537 BCE when the seventy years had been fulfilled.
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isaacaustin
'scholar' said:
AnnOMaly
Post 1365
Jerermiah 25:9-11 most plainly states that Judah would not only serve Babylon for seventy years but wouls also be desolate for seventy years therefore the entire population would also be in exile for that same period. Such a honest account of history is also proved by the testimony of Ezra, Daniel, Zechariah and Josephus. Jeremiah in that prophecy also decreed that the Nations would also be made to serve Babylon but their respective histories in respect to Babylon does not supply any detailed chronology or history that refer to any specific fulfillment of a definite seventy year prophecy.
scholar JW
My reply: Then why have you never been able to show us where it plainly states thatJeru would lay desolate for 70 years? Because it doesn't say that. Josephus actually agrees with 50 years of desolation. Ezra, Daniel and Zech do not state that Jeru would lay desolate 70 years either. Daniel simply states that the ending of the 70 years would also end with the ending of the desolations of Jeru- not that it would lay desolate 70 years.
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isaacaustin
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The prophecy began its fulfillment after 539 BCE or to be more technically correct after 537 BCE when the seventy years had been fulfilled.
My reply: 537- another date that has been proven as unestablished over and over again by others on this board.
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AnnOMaly
Jerermiah 25:9-11 most plainly states that Judah would not only serve Babylon for seventy years but wouls also be desolate for seventy years therefore the entire population would also be in exile for that same period. Such a honest account of history is also proved by the testimony of Ezra, Daniel, Zechariah and Josephus. Jeremiah in that prophecy also decreed that the Nations would also be made to serve Babylon but their respective histories in respect to Babylon does not supply any detailed chronology or history that refer to any specific fulfillment of a definite seventy year prophecy.
You're a stubborn ol' goat, Neil. This has been done to death with you but you still trot out the same half-baked baloney.
By now you should know better than to claim Jeremiah attached the 70 years to a period of total desolation.
By now you should have wised up to the fact that the words of Ezra and Daniel have to be interpreted in the light of what Jeremiah actually prophesied and not according to what he plainly didn't prophesy.
By now you should be thinking twice about using Zechariah's '70 years' relating to the temple's completion to prove anything about Jeremiah's '70 years' of Babylonian hegemony.
By now you should be turning red with embarrassment at the mere thought of using Josephus' testimony when he also records 50 years as the true length of the exile as well as 70 years.
And you should, by now, be acquainted well enough with Babylonian history to know how their (albeit limited) chronicles are in harmony with Jeremiah's prophecies of Babylon's '70 year' domination over the nations and the established time-line.
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Mad Sweeney
He's well aware of ALL of that, AnnOMaly, and that is what makes him a fraudulent poster.