@The Finger:
But if the angels can pass DNA to, angelic material to make a hybrid, can God be the same substance as them and not be a creation?
Whatever the substance of divine nature may permit an angel to do, it is not appropriate, even unnatural for an angel to be 'passing DNA,' as you put it, between themselves and humans.
If the particles that create angels are the same as God. Then he is a creation
I don't follow your logic here, but ok.
@Podobear:
If Almighty God Jehovah is an Immortal being without creation, and Jesus is now an Immortal being, and was created... that would mean that Jehovah has size and therefore location in an Infinite, yet ever expanding Universe. [Des (the Pastor) and I met mind to mind on that one]
Even if you and the pastor agreed that Jehovah has both "size and ... location," I'd say that the Bible makes clear to point out that Jehovah is bigger that our expanded universe and that his location, where He dwells, is in the spiritual heavens, which is not in our universe at all!
Therefore, Djeggnog, should JW's do a full circle and return to the days of Pastor [Russell] and be looking at the Pleides for such location?
I can assure you that I do not know what you mean by this, but the organization of Jehovah Witnesses is a forward-moving, progressive organization, and so we do not "return" to beliefs long-abandoned due to our discovering our understanding to have been in error.
I know this sounds like the anecdote of the Evolutionists scaling the wall of Theory, reaching the top, only to find a panel of Theologians... (LOL).. but really, does this mean that Almighty God has size and location as JW's presumably see it.. or after all, are we ALL including Jesus to join this Omnipresent, Omnipotent whole as a kind of Universal consciousness? [That, they Father may be one...as WE are one].
This question of yours is rather compound, and I'm pretty sure that I won't be making any real attempt here in trying to decipher what it is you might be really asking me here. Although it is true that since Jesus' resurrection, Jehovah gave him at least a couple of things that He Himself possesses -- incorruptibility and immortality -- so although Jesus is now an immortal God, Jehovah is almighty, which means that whatever might Jesus possesses, Jehovah is a mightier in power than is the Lord Jesus Christ.
But I will say that as to God's being omnipresent, I responded to someone else's message recently on this very topic, and so I'll just answer your question in a similar fashion now:
Where exactly does God live? Does God have a house? If so, where is it, or, to put this in another way: What is God's location?
At Acts 7:48, we read that "the Most High doesn't dwell in houses made with hands." Continuing with verses 49 and 50, same book and chapter, Stephen says "'The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What sort of house will you build for me? Jehovah says. Or what is the place for my resting? My hand made all these things, did it not?'"
God's throne is located in the heavens, the earth is God's footstool, and what kind of materials would one use to make a house in which God might dwell. So whether a structure could be made here on earth of gold, silver or some other precious stone, or even wood, God's house is not a church, not a cathedral, not a mosque, not a Kingdom Hall. It's not a house "made with hands."
A person is a "being possessing or forming the subject of personality," so God is a person, just like a man is a person, a woman is a person. A dog is not a person. A cat is not a person. Jehovah is a person, so he must have specific dwelling, for every intelligent person has location, but where is it?
So then is it true that God is everywhere at the same time, He's a part of and in everything? No, this is not true; God is not everywhere. God is somewhere. So where would we find God? Where exactly is God located? Well, what did Jesus say at Matthew 6:9? I know you know this scripture, for in the King James Version even young children learned what Jesus taught his followers to pray, "Our Father which art in heaven...." So where is God? Does this mean that God is in the sky? Is He in the clouds, or where the sun is, where the stars are, where the planets are, or in our solar system somewhere?
Our earth, it's atmosphere, our solar system, the universe cannot contain Jehovah, for King Solomon makes the point at 2 Chronicles 6:18 that "the heaven of the heavens" cannot contain Him. Now Jesus "became flesh and resided among us" we read at John 1:14, but Jehovah? He is nowhere to be found in our material universe. He's not everywhere; he's not omnipresent.
Leave the solar system past all of the stars to where the universe ends, if it so ends, and thus cross from this literal physical dimension into a spiritual dimension where the spiritual heavens is, and that is where God is, in another dimension. Isaiah 63:15 says "Look from heaven and see out of your lofty abode of holiness and beauty." This is the heaven where God makes His home, where Jehovah dwells in person.
But note what we read at Hebrews 8:1, 2 about God's dwelling place, His abode in the spiritual heavens, "We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a public servant of the holy place and of the true tent, which Jehovah put up, and not man." So if it were possible to get out of our universe, out of this creation, that is to say, out of our physical dimension, and enter the spiritual heavens, you would find Jehovah in the spiritual dimension where He resides in person, you would see the palatial home that Jehovah himself put up, the palace where He lives and thrones.
But the apostle Paul provides this important detail at Hebrews 9:11 that will bear out what I've said here about God's dwelling place, about this "true tent" that Jehovah put up as His own dwelling in the spiritual heavens, for he speaks about "when Christ came as a high priest of the good things that have come to pass," that he did so, "through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation." Isn't this what Stephen said about God's house at Acts 7:48-50? "What sort of house will you build for me?" IOW, God's 'perfect and true tent,' His abode, is not here on Planet Earth at all. You can look, but you won't find God here anywhere!
No, @Podobear, what we see from all of this is that God's home, His dwelling place, is in the heavens, and is "not of this creation."
@djeggnog
