@Podobear:
I will leave you with this quote from the book RECONCILIATION by J.F. Rutherford 1928. The parallel Universe explanation you gave must have come in after I quit associating with JW's 25 years ago: ...
It has been suggested, and with much weight, that ... Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God.
I'm sure you will recall previously asking me the following question:
Therefore, Djeggnog, should JW's do a full circle and return to the days of Pastor [Russell] and be looking at the Pleides for such location?
My response, in pertinent part, began this way:
I can assure you that I do not know what you mean by this....
I meant this, but let me be clear: There are a lot of dead folks that went to their graves believing things to be true for whatever reason that have later on proven to be false. There are many among folks, who had formerly been Jehovah's Witnesses and were convinced that God isn't "Three Persons" of a Trinity, and yet they leave the organization and put faith in a lie, embracing the very doctrine that they had previously learned to be false.
Jehovah's Witnesses has always been a progressive organization, so if after 25 years of being out of the truth you continue to resist the holy spirit as you harp on the zany ideas of sincere Bible students that are no longer with us, then this is your choice, your life, but I've no interest in pursuing a discussion about the flaws and imperfect reasoning of now-deceased Jehovah's Witnesses. I really see no "up-side" in speaking slightingly of the dead, including Rutherford and Franz, and even if "the dead" should be anointed and now be alive in heaven, as far as we here on earth are concerned, these folks are no longer living among us.
Furthermore, I think it both outrageous and disrespectful to be assailing the memory of someone that has died, especially considering that they have been acquitted of their sins (that is, with the exception of those dying having committed the unforgivable sin), not that this is what you were doing, @Podobear, but I'm speaking generally here about certain aspect of our discussion here to which I'd rather not be a party.
Could you provide the current JW work that divulges the concept of a parallel Universe[?] Des and his son David (both Pentecostal Pastors) are in my clinic tomorrow morning. I would like to get my quoting right, because the other half of their family are JW's and Elders.
I suppose I could, but I'm going to have to say "No," for I'm not inclined to do so for the sake of these Pentecostal Pastors with whom I hold nothing theologically with them! You could toss this same question out to these elders since they are also Jehovah's Witnesses, for they may be more inclined than I am to do so.
@djeggnog wrote:
I wasn't "insinuating" anything; I'm telling you that Jehovah doesn't listen to just anyone's prayers, for prayer is a form of worship and all trinitarians without exception are worshipers of God's adversary, Satan.
@yknot wrote:
The publications don’t back your opinion, think of all those wonderful stories of how people came into the Truth! Many were praying to God for answers, many were Trinitarian at the time in their understanding and praying under the Trinitarian concept when a JW couple appears at their door……
The context in which I made this statement was with respect to your seeming to me to be an apologist for trinitarians! Anyone, sometimes Jehovah's Witnesses have to be very careful that we don't get a little self-righteous and say things like, they're just Baptists, Pentecostals or Lutherans, and feel that they're not worth the trouble to preach to them because they are diehard trinitarians and won't listen to the message we are preaching.
But it's not just Jehovah's Witnesses that God is going to be saving, is it? I've not read that in the Bible ever! Jeremiah's attitude was, "God, forgive us all. We are all sinners," but it's true that some among Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten to be too righteous, even though not one of us -- including me -- are any bargain to Jehovah God when we all need to all of us rely upon His undeserved kindness for mercy, don't we? Our works are just fulfilling a command; they don't save us and some among God's people have become complacent with a feeling of superiority, and so they often need folks like me to remind them of these things. I told you in a previous post that I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses that teaches other Jehovah's Witnesses, and let me be clear in saying to you that God doesn't hear the prayers of trinitarian apologists like yourself that ought to know this, and, in context, I was specifically referring to you (and to those who are just like you).
Now does this mean that Jehovah God loves Baptists and Lutherans and Catholics? Define "love." Jehovah would love for them to listen to what the spirit says to all of the congregations, but He knows that of those we call "Jehovah's Witnesses," some have become disgruntled, unsteady in their thinking and unsettled in their heart, throwers of darts at congregation elders and at those taking the lead at the WTS, but God also knows that it may take a bit of time due to the hold that this Satanic doctrine has on some people. So does God care about the trinitarians? Of course, He does, for what reason in the world does He have us out there preaching to them? Peter says that Jehovah desires that none be destroyed.
I am baffled by your not discerning erroneous interpretations, again this makes me believe you are a convert or a young person (please clarify your status—young, old, convert, raised or born-in------ yes, those things do matter as they affect our knowledge and perceptions)
Well, I'm not! You are all over the place, but perhaps you will remember writing the following:
Why not be at peace with your opinion and simply pray for the other person.. Do not go on judging or reviling... It only serves to bring out the worst in us all... It is a division (not the only one either), that is all it is and it will not be settled until Jesus returns.
I've been reacting to this statement of yours; it is false. Jehovah's Witnesses do not pray on behalf of the wicked, and the matter has already been settled. There exists no need at the congregation level for anyone to wait for Jesus to come after the great tribulation. You wrote, "until Jesus returns," but Jesus has already returned, which is another reason why I reacted to your false statement. I believe I've dropped more than a sufficient number of hints in my posts as to my age and status and current assignment, but I'm about "seeking the glory that is from the only God" and not my own glory. I don't want to talk about me. I'd like nothing more than to discuss the Bible with folks.
@djeggnog wrote:
I use e-Sword, too, so what's your point.
@yknot wrote:
You do realize those Commentaries are from TRINITARIANS and according to you are not capable of receiving Jehovah's spirit because he doesn't hear their prayers as they were under the influence of satanic direction!
Where did I ever say that I consulted anyone's "commentary"? I use the KJV, ASV, RSV and (quite recently) the NWT modules only, but like I said in my previous post, you're a hateful person that you would rather knock me for some reason because I use e-Sword, instead of asking me why I used e-Sword. I also use the WT Library 2009 and BibleScope on the iTouch I carry with me daily, if you must know. So what?
I am starting to believe you have so many responses that you are confusing me with another poster.
I do not have you confused with any other poster here.
@djeggnog wrote:
As to this nonsense about you and I being in clear violation of the F&DS's direction by posting here, or as to our casting stones at one another (which I do not do!), please review the article, "Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones" ([w74 8/1, 466-473]), for even though this article was published back in 1974, the information in it is still current, and perhaps you will then appreciate -- that is, after you have read the article -- that posting messages here isn't a violation, except in your own mind! (1 Corinthians 10:29)
@yknot wrote:
No, I am sorry but that isn’t current. Please reference "God’s Love" pg 207-209.
I suppose I'm just imagining here that you are giving me counsel to the effect that the article I cited "isn't current"? Far be it from me to point out to you that we are not having a discussion. Clearly you never learned of what he headship principle consists.
This forum--- what is your purpose on this forum? Are you looking to clock in some ‘easy time’?
What do you mean? I cannot "clock" any of the time I spend here. Now you are attacking my motives for being here on this forum. There seem to be so many things that you simply do not know.
@elderelite:
Clearly, DJ eggfoo you are wrong, as usual. let me show you what the WT library CD rom has as references when it comes to dealing with DF'd individuals...(you may wish to add that little reference to your PDA, if there is room with all those bibles and such)
No, thanks.
@djeggnog
