by wannabe 58 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Well, you and your fellow bashers have revealed your TRUE Gospel: Idiocy.....MadJW
This is your Contribution on "Aguests" Thread..
Most of your posts are`nt much better..Just alot of Moronic BullShit..
You have no repect for anyones beliefs but your own..
So..
You can cry me a River..
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...OUTLAW
Respect has to be earned; I guess you have NEVER learned that.
Why respect beliefs that are nonsense?
Respect has to be earned; I guess you have NEVER learned that.
Why respect beliefs that are nonsense?
Livingbreeze,
That article is one of many where the org has said you must come to them for salvation, you can not understand God's word apart from them, etc. They have called themselves God's modern-day prophet. Yet they have prophecied falsely. Even IF they were correct on those doctrines above (which they are not), they still would not be God's organization to the extent that God would not choose a false prophet as his seward to handle his earthly affairs.
No one speaks for God, execept Jesus, his only begotten Son, NO ONE.
Well, it has been pretty quiet for almost 2000 years- I guess God is all talked out right now.
If Christendom were to get rid of their neverending torment doctrine (as if such a torment ever entered God's mind), their trinity doctrine, their teaching that seems to exclude the earth as our eternal home, their involvement with the political governments of this wicked system, their call to arms when war breaks out, and such things like these, I might consider attending a church to be incited to love and good works.
Peter's words about who Jesus was were, "You are the Christ (God's annointed one), the Son of the living God." Against that belief, and following that one, the gates of hell will not prevail. Jesus is nothing more or less than the Christ, the Son of God, whom God has made both Lord and Christ.
The wages sin pays is death, not neverending torment. God balances the scales of justice. It is far beyond my power to torment someone for ever and ever, why then, should I be found without faith accompanied by works which follow faith, should I be tormented for ever and ever? No one can torment another for ever and ever, so no one should be tormented for ever and ever.
What excuse will individuals within Christendom have when they are found mistaken about interpretations of end time prophecy, taught others these mistakes, and not made adjustments and retractions when more is learned?
If there are no real Jehovah's witnesses here to defend the truth of God's word, at least I am trying, you should be ashamed of yourselves not to teach about the true God and his Son, Jesus Christ. Which brings me to another thing, I do wonder who set up this site, its title says it is a site for Jehovah's witnesses, so far the only one I have found, it would seem, calls himself theMadJW.
theMadJW, such a name seems to be a contradiction of terms.
To the trinitarian, God never really had a Son, because their Jesus always had life. Father, by definition is the source of life and existence, since Jehovah is the Father, he is the source of his Son's life, his existence. So really, who believes that Jesus truly is the Son of God?
Well, it has been pretty quiet for almost 2000 years- I guess God is all talked out right now.
Well, it takes people listening for ANYONE to be heard.
Some listen and hear and some do not, it is their choice, as always.
To the trinitarian, God never really had a Son, because their Jesus always had life. Father, by definition is the source of life and existence, since Jehovah is the Father, he is the source of his Son's life, his existence. So really, who believes that Jesus truly is the Son of God?
You really should speak for Trinitarians if you don't knwo what they believe.
Don't agree with the Trinity? fine, neither do I, but you dont' see me bitching about it all the time.
You are a JW and you believe with full conviction your version of the truth, no matter how many times it may be shown as inaccurate by others, why?
Because you choose to believe it.
Same for those of other denominations.
You make excuses for your leaders mistakes, as do they, you make your own bibel to suite your interpretations, so do they.
It never hurt anyone to remove the log from their own eye before they point out the splinter in someone elses.
Livingbreeze said:
If Christendom were to get rid of their neverending torment doctrine (as if such a torment ever entered God's mind), their trinity doctrine, their teaching that seems to exclude the earth as our eternal home, their involvement with the political governments of this wicked system, their call to arms when war breaks out, and such things like these, I might consider attending a church to be incited to love and good works.
My reply: These teachings are not unique to the JWs, they are present in other groups- such as Christadelphians, House of YHWH, House of the Called Out Ones of Ya, to name a few few. However, this is simply a red herring. Support Biblically where a laundry list of doctrine is what determines what relgious group is the true religion- assuming the WT stance on these points was correct. Jesus said love would identify his followers, not a laundry list. The WT, by the way, is less neutral politically than House of YHWH. YHWH is so neutral they will not even accept any governmental aid- truly separate from the political systems...while the WT printed in a 1995 WT that voting was a matter of conscience.
Livingbreeze said:
Peter's words about who Jesus was were, "You are the Christ (God's annointed one), the Son of the living God." Against that belief, and following that one, the gates of hell will not prevail. Jesus is nothing more or less than the Christ, the Son of God, whom God has made both Lord and Christ.
My reply: Prooftexting by isolating one verse...you need to re-read the NT.
Livingbreeze:
The wages sin pays is death, not neverending torment. God balances the scales of justice. It is far beyond my power to torment someone for ever and ever, why then, should I be found without faith accompanied by works which follow faith, should I be tormented for ever and ever? No one can torment another for ever and ever, so no one should be tormented for ever and ever.
My reply: Out of context. How is death defined scripturally? Eternal separation from the presence of God.
Livingbreeze:
What excuse will individuals within Christendom have when they are found mistaken about interpretations of end time prophecy, taught others these mistakes, and not made adjustments and retractions when more is learned?
My reply: The WT is guilty of what you just stated above- MANY TIMES OVER. They have also claimed to be God's sole channel of truth, and called their false prophecies 'the Creator's promise." So, answer your own question.
Livingbreeze:
If there are no real Jehovah's witnesses here to defend the truth of God's word, at least I am trying, you should be ashamed of yourselves not to teach about the true God and his Son, Jesus Christ. Which brings me to another thing, I do wonder who set up this site, its title says it is a site for Jehovah's witnesses, so far the only one I have found, it would seem, calls himself theMadJW.
My reply: I do. While you regurgitate WT crap.
Livingbreeze:
theMadJW, such a name seems to be a contradiction of terms.
My reply: Ah yes the mental case who claims to be a 35 year JW who loves his brotherhood but has little confidence in the org.
Livingbreeze:
To the trinitarian, God never really had a Son, because their Jesus always had life. Father, by definition is the source of life and existence, since Jehovah is the Father, he is the source of his Son's life, his existence. So really, who believes that Jesus truly is the Son of God?
My reply: Wrong like usual. We understand the meaning of the term son, as to what it meant in the Jewish culture at the time the words were penned. You really do have a lot to learn.
My reply: Wrong like usual. We understand the meaning of the term son, as to what it meant in the Jewish culture at the time the words were penned. You really do have a lot to learn.
If there is some other meaning of son that was understood by the Jewish culture at that time, I'd be interested in learning about it. I am unaware of any other meaning other than being the son of a father who is the source of the son's life.
Don't think your words are falling on deaf ears, I am listening, however, I stilll find that God described death to us in Genesis, we return to the ground, just like the first man did, after that there is no hope for life except the resurrection, to be raised fom the dead.
Where is the just balance, since no man has the power to cause never ending torment, then how can neverending torment be God's judgement?
I'd have to say that I've never really been close enough to the personal lives of JWs to know whether they really love one another or not, I guess that puts me in quite a position, doesn't it?
I do find it troublesome when I've seen a huge list from some person telling people of all the denominations to avoid, should it be so hard to find a so-called good, biblical church? The resident JW here seems to be in the same position I am, since I am not so confident to say that they have the "faithful and discreet slave" in their midst.
I would rather have a simple faith, believing in and trusting God's gift of life through the forgiveness of sins by the shed blood of his son. As to how I would go about obeying his command to "go into all the nations..." I don't know. I honestly wish God's word was easier to understand, then I wouldn't be asking anyone to explain it. I have prayed many times over, so I do ask for direction from God.
Who really knows what is going to happen, we only know that something is going to happen in this tme of the end? We only know there's a beast, a false prophet, Satan and his demons, and all those fllowing that path, and, there is God, his Son, the angels, and all those following that path, why the lines are so blurred, I don't know.
