Some things that we APOSTATES keep getting wrong. We need some FRESH IDEAS!

by nicolaou 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  yknot

  Here is my 2 cents:

  Every JW has doubts or 'issues'.... EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

  The WTS is in a period of 'sifting'.......so sift after sift is being presented in WTs, KMs, books and songs to drive out the conscious and further ingrain the believer or more aptly those who just go with the flow.

  The key is to ask questions.....not flaming apostate ones but leading ones like we all learned to do in TMS (or pioneer school-- btw I am interested in someone 'conducting' JWN's 2010-2011 Pio School soon....PM or email me if interested!)

  Patience is the utmost, time isn't our enemy.

  Expect to have setbacks...... learning to watch and wait for opportunity....... there will be many battles before the war is over.

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  I do want to state that I half-heartedly disagree with Nic on MONEY.........

  The loyal donating JWs are dying off........

  Unless an Elder/MS (and lets face it many JWs these days are single moms) most of those born after 1965 donate less or are increasingly not donating at all in Westernized countries.

  This will cause some problems in the future as running WTS operations on past investment profits is utterly business foolish......and I doubt will be done for more than a decade. (read- the new send us all the money arrangement for 0% interest while the WTS reinvests it for profit).

  This is an era of reinvention.......and for the WTS to survive into the next century many many changes will have to be made or they will simply limp out of existence.....downsizing bethel after bethel, congregation after congregation and finally assembly hall after assembly hall (yes I said congregation first because they can merge a single circuit in a once a week uber-meeting-- thusly 7 circuits (or 14 if they wanna double up) one night a week.

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  If you can leave the WTS, leave .....

  But if you are having to stay and leave slowly do so with the intent on scattering tiny seeds of 'truth about the truth'..... even a simple validation of someones inner feelings can be enough for that doubt to come off the 'wait on jah' shelve and take root.
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  OUTLAW

  Time is the enemy of the Prophet.....Wasblind

  The WBT$ has tried and true remedy for that..

  "New Light"

  Drop a "New Light" Bulb in front of the JW Cattle..

  Problem solved..

  Moo!!..

  ..................... ...OUTLAW
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  donuthole

  Fresh ideas? How about we picket conventions! The Watchtower will crumble in no time!
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  wasblind

  Hahahaha....whooooo

  Hey, where is new light at in the Bible or did I miss somethin'

  all the scriptures I read seems it refers to an enlightening

  or refer to God as light, It doesn't refer to God as new or changing

  i don't claim to be no scholar on the Bible so can anyone make that clear for me

  again what did I miss ?
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  TheLoveDoctor

  u may not think this ? has anything to do with topic, but the comments in this topic propts my ?

  I have a ? can you send out some good apostate websites by email to active members whom u know there email address while not exposing yourself/ your email address?
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  yknot

  ...... create a bogus email accounts that can't be connected back to you......

  if you would like I would be willing to mail out some greeting cards......everybody loves getting cards and most will open them if handwritten on the envelope......(trick I learned in 'effective' writing campaigns)

  I honestly don't open emails unless I know the sender and my spam/junk filter usually picks up most who aren't in my contacts.
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  believingxjw

  Nic,

  "A lot of good people have spent years of their lives researching the Society's doctrines and finances and thousands of us have been freed as a result - I thank you all! But doctrinal essays and the exposure of U.N. type cover-ups or pedophile abuse will never result in a mass exodus of affronted and shocked JW's. Some will murmur, a few may leave, then they'll all pick up their Songbooks and sing like before . ."

  Religion is important to many people and most who believe believe not because of their priests or gb but because they truly believe in the teachings. Roman Catholics know their priests are not perfect but even when scandal strikes many stay because they believe in the religion itself. The Roman Catholic Church has a record of atrocities that make the recent child abuse scandal pale by comparison but the church continued to exist because enough of her members continued to believe in the teachings of their church. And also because she changed, she was forced to.

  In my opinion, the best hope (the only hope really) is to force reform in the JW religion by continuing to do exactly what is being done on this site. "Reform" is a much more acceptable (and a well recognized need) to many active JWs than the thought of leaving totally. My suggestion is to push Reform while at the same time helping those who decide to leave, leave. Apostates who push for reform are not really apostates they are friends of the publishers stuck in the JW religion.

  Marvin Shilmer's work is helping to push reform in the blood arena. It would be great if a section of JWN was dedicated to the horrible practice of shunning and all the hurt and anger it causes. Personal experiences and scriptures from the NWT highlighting Jesus' teachings on brotherly love etc, may disarm many who lurk into thinking about the whole issue a little more carefully.

  This is a good thread.
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  sabastious

  I feel the only way to get them thinking is to inform non-witnesses.

  Think if Witnesses couldn't go to a door without having to answer questions about their roots and changed teachings... it just might be enough.

  -Sab
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  TheLoveDoctor

  Im sure one way to help get others thinking is to send info by email. thank u for the assist
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  Quentin

  The wt will never crash and burn. It has survived a number of mass exodus over the years. What is lost here in the US and Europe is gained back three fold in thrid world countries. No, wtbts has been here for over a hundred years and will be around for another 100.

  Religion is important to many people and most who believe believe not because of their priests or gb but because they truly believe in the teachings. Roman Catholics know their priests are not perfect but even when scandal strikes many stay because they believe in the religion itself. The Roman Catholic Church has a record of atrocities that make the recent child abuse scandal pale by comparison but the church continued to exist because enough of her members continued to believe in the teachings of their church. And also because she changed, she was forced to. (believingxjw)....Good point....

  This is an era of reinvention.......and for the WTS to survive into the next century many many changes will have to be made or they will simply limp out of existence.....downsizing bethel after bethel, congregation after congregation and finally assembly hall after assembly hall (yes I said congregation first because they can merge a single circuit in a once a week uber-meeting-- thusly 7 circuits (or 14 if they wanna double up) one night a week. (Yknot)...and another good point....