by brotherdan 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
I don't much read context or who said what or what was meant. I take posters at their word
Yeah, and I was trying to politely point out that your sarcasm was unnecessary since, based on the context, there was a reason for me stating a point that's generally accepted around here - for clarification of context.
If you know the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses, and remain in, you are a coward and a liar. No matter the circumstances
Nice prejudice, DS.
Some of us haven't da'd ourselves because we are trying to help family to get out. I think that is more noble and less selfish that hitting the road and only caring about yourself.
DS: If you know the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses, and remain in, you are a coward and a liar. No matter the circumstances
Sorry to digress from the subject, BD, but this kind of prejudice pisses me off. Ignorance and arrogance to the nth degree.
So, DS, if someone is "staying in" long enough to save a loved one (using a stragetic plan instead of a hasty defection), they're automatically a coward and a liar?? BULLSHIT. Staying in to save someone takes balls.
I suppose you think fire fighters are cowards when they spend time inside a burning building to find survivors? Do you realize the ignorance you displayed there? "No matter the circumstances"
BD beat me to it.
Dark Side has the knowledge...but a few personality flaws along the way
Thanks for agreeing, Cheeze. You guys don't know HOW BAD I want to be out. I want to leave and don't mind if everyone knows it and my name is destroyed among the witnesses. I'm not afraid of that.
But I'm in love with my wife. She deserves to taste freedom too and not live with the guilt that STILL continues to haunt her.
Dark Side has the knowledge...but a few personality flaws along the way
Isaac I'm so used to seeing you go terminator on Renia, Debator and others, that I forget you can be reasonable and even diplomatic at times LOL
MLE, LOL...not to go back to my JW days...but I remember an expression we df wickedness, not weakness. LOL
So, yeah I have my moments. DS is an ok guy, we all have our weaknesses.
I only go terminator on those deserving.
brotherdan WT: 10
brotherdan: 0
I disagree. Here is the current score.
WT:Lost
BD:Saved
I agree with Ding, "watch and pray".
Let the Holy Spirit do the talking, He will give you the words as needed and beyond that, keep quite, keep praying and remain in love :)
Blessings,
Stephen
This is a very good topic, though a really sucky situation. Something that do strike me is that this happened in front of your wife. Perhaps she is also trying to reasure your wife (and perhaps even herself!) that she is "normal"? It might be wishfull thinking, but you know for sure she aint 100% brainwashed and a little wishfull thinking is good given the circumstances.
With DF'ing, the standard tactic is to frame the subject so you either discuss personal experience like above, disfellowshipping of pedophiles, or statements like this: "Usually, it is my experience that when someone is disfellowshipped, there is usually more wrong than (something you brought up)."
As you have learned it is surprisingly effective tactics, given how idiotic and (pardon an atheist for saying this) unchristian the DF'ing is.
I have had a similar conversation once. My tactic was to give them that DFing is not automatically wrong all the time, but that I dont like when it is applied to things which are not in line with the bible. I dont think anyone would not take that bait hook line and sinker and ask what acts, preparing to burry one scriptually :-).
At this point, i picked a changed teaching on blood.
The good thing is that "new light" is really the only explanation they have had drilled in, so its bound to come up. But it does not really fix the problem, since by saying "new light" they admit the teaching was changed which just reaffirm what you just said: People are sometimes DF'ed for acts which are not prohibited by the bible.
What i got from here was that any system can make errors, etc. etc. etc. I said the reason it didnt sit well with me was because i felt it was the only explanation the pariseans might have given to jesus: They punished people for healing on the sabbath because that was the best they could read from the torrah, but jesus was still angry at them because he felt they should have used more compassion.
Its not that it really changed anything, but the responses did fell a lot slower near the end of the conversation and was outside the "textbook" than to begin with.
