Modesty VS Faith (page 3)

Chalam

Through the Holy Spirit.

He speaks in many ways, directly to my own spirit, through His people often via the prophetic gift, through the bible, through Creation, through dreams, through circumstance and much more.

Blessings,

Stephen

SweetBabyCheezits

Who says you must choose only one of the above?

From my perspective, logic says you must choose one or the other because they are at odds in principle, but perhaps that's a false dichotomy. I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out in my own mind and sought input from those of faith. So far the answers have been kinda muddy.

For example...

SBC: To waver in certainty of belief shows a lack of faith, doesn't it?

Syl: No, shows we're human.

Lol... you're like a slippery bar of soap, aren't you? Is it by chance that Syl is an anagram of sly?

Your answer is not at all definitive. Can you hear Alex Trebek stating this in reciprocity?

Alex: "This shows we're human."

Syl, beeping in: "What is to waver in certainty of belief?!"

I'm trying to refine my perspective with solid input from believers. Maybe my original assertion was too aggressive and needs to define the degree of faith I had in mind.

SweetBabyCheezits

Does anyone disagree with the first part of the statement, that modesty asks us to recognize our limitations? If so, I'll go back and just refine the second declaration about faith.

PSacramento

Well...

Modesty:

approving when someone doesn't usually talk about or make obvious their abilities and achievements She does a lot of work for charities, but her modesty forbids her from talking about it.

in all modesty approving said when you want to say something good about yourself, but do not want to seem to think you are too important

Quite frankly, and in all modesty, we'd probably have lost the game if I hadn't been playing.

snowbird

LOL.

I have been told that I'm as slippery as an eel.

Seriously, though, I believe at one time or other, all believers waver in faith.

That is why it's so essential that we support each other and not get bogged down in doctrinal matters.

Maybe my original assertion was too aggressive and needs to define the degree of faith I had in mind.

That would ge a good start.

Syl

snowbird

Does anyone disagree with the first part of the statement, that modesty asks us to recognize our limitations?

I don't disagree.

That's why I try to refrain from making dogmatic statements such as, "I know this or I know that ... "

However, I do state, without equivocation, that I BELIEVE.

Syl

tec

modesty asks us to recognize our limitations?

I don't disagree, but I don't know that I really agree with this as a complete definition. Modesty would also be in recognizing that there's nothing special about you that makes you better than anyone else. Or is that humility? I think PSac is probably closest. Modesty is not flaunting the good things we do; not looking for credit for them, but just doing them.

Tammy

tec

I also think we all have moments of weakness in our faith. I think many of us are wary about making an absolute statement about anything, such as I know Jesus of Nazareth existed. Because I am also with Sylvia, and not trying to slippery... I believe he existed. I have no proof of this, it relies on faith, hope and trust.

I believe with my mind, but I think I believe as much if not more with my heart.

I would have to say that my acknowledgment of believing that he did not exist would be roughly the same acknowledgment that a die-hard atheist gives that God might exist. He knows God doesn't exist, but without absolute proof, he can't state it with absolute certainty. Everything in me screams against the thought that Christ does not exist(or God), because I don't believe that, but without absolute proof, I don't make an absolute statement. This might mean that my faith is weak, because others do state such with absolute knowledge. (Some are probably being stubborn, others are like Shelby)

Tammy

SweetBabyCheezits

The statement I made contains what I thought was an underlying principle of the quality of modesty, not the comprehensive definition.

Maybe that wasn't right, though. I just did some googling to get a better understanding of modesty and realized that my understanding of the term ('recognizing one's limitations') came directly from the WT. I was aware of the alternative meaning as well but looks like I held onto the WT's definition, not remembering where it originated. Color me embarrassed.

I need to do more research on that, though. Humility might work but I think adding intellectual humility qualifies it better? Intellectual humility helps us to identify and acknowledge our own areas of ignorance. I just thought modesty was a simpler term that could be used in place of intellectual humility.

If that's not the case, what single word would be the best word used to convey the idea?

cyberjesus

"Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. " Gordon B Hinckley

Google him

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