LAROUCHE THROWS RIDICULERS TRIPLE CURVE

by You Know 113 Replies latest jw friends

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  Seeker

  You Know has learned his lessons well from the WTS school of thought. They are notorious for taking a few facts, or a specific example, and spinning an entire article that generalizes to the point of being wrong. The type of article that begins with an anecdote about how crime is increasing in some little Italian hamlet and then extrapolating from that to suggest that crimes is horrific everywhere.

  You Know does the same thing. He is intelligent, and reads a lot, and he gets a few things right. He then spins totally wrong conclusions from those few spare facts.

  Does the media serve up propaganda? Yes.

  Is Larouche intelligent? Yes, he is.

  Are there financial swindles afoot? Sure.

  From those facts, however, You Know spins fanciful tales of woe that have little to do with reality. Larouche is smart, but also wrong. The media covers for the corporations and government, but they also have good reason to mostly ignore Larouche. There are Enrons in the business world, but it doesn't mean the entire financial system is about to crumble.

  Remember, You Know has been pushing these same predictions for at least the last 5 years in a row, and for the last 5 years in a row nothing he has predicted has come true. Nothing.
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  You Know

  Yes you are right. They carry a heavy responsibility before God. James 3:1 says that "not many should be teachers...knowing that we shall receive a heavier judgment." It goes on in the next verse to say: "For we all stumble many times." So there's the principle that those that serve as teachers will judged with a different measure for their mistakes.

  There's no question but that when things blow up that the Watchtower is going to go through an awful and humiliating experience. Think about how God humbled the apostles. On the night of Jesus' arrest they were still arguing over who was going to be the top dog in the kingdom, and then they nodded off when Jesus was pleading with them to keep awake with him. And when he was busted they all scattered. They were totally humiliated because they failed, and yet Jesus didn't cast them off. Jehovah merely disciplined them and they went on from there.

  Of course, that was just a small scale of what we are facing. Because now we are standing on the threshold of Jehovah's awe inspiring Judgment Day. Nothing like it has ever occurred. Since the day of Pentecost when the spiritual nation of "Israel" came into existence, God has not judged his organization. That's what he are facing. Peter spoke about it where he wrote: "For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God?"

  So when this system comes down, that is going to be our test, our judgment. It will be a period of chaos and confusion, and betrayal, just like when Judas betrayed Christ in the miniature. We are going to go through something like that, and thus, those who have the faith to take Jehovah's thrashing will survive and those who don't won't.

  / You Know
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  mindfield

  Well, you've raised an interesting point. If the GB is bloodguilty before God, and we know that they've committed many blunders, then what obligation do we have to stick with them? Why should we believe that the WT is God's organisation?

  You have a point about Jesus' disciples fighting often to see who was greater. But this is a lot different. The GB aren't (that I know of) fighting about their position, but rather placing extra-large dollops of emphasis on wrong dates, playing around with people's lives, etc.

  Why should God want us to stay with this group in order to spare our lives?
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  You Know

  Remember, You Know has been pushing these same predictions for at least the last 5 years in a row, and for the last 5 years in a row nothing he has predicted has come true. Nothing.

  That pretty much encapsulates the ridiculers entire mindset. That 'because God said he was a comin and he ain't showed up yet, we must be in the clear.' LOL / You Know
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  larc

  You Know,

  He was not talking about God and what he may or may not do. He was talking about you and your prophecying for the last five years.
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  You Know

  If the GB is bloodguilty before God, and we know that they've committed many blunders, then what obligation do we have to stick with them?

  Jesus revealed that the world of mankind would be judged by hw they treat his brothers. Now, according to the illustration that Christ gave, his brothers would be ill-treated; some would be in prison, others, hungry, sick, and naked, and so forth. Presently that doesn't really seem relevant becaue most of those whom we recognize as Jesus' brothers are doing okay---so far. But, come the judgment period that could change very quickly. And in the face of all the stuff that's coming down on the Society, when the system blows more than likely it is all going to coincide with all of this other stuff hitting the fan simultaneously. So it will appear as if the Watchtower didn't have God's blessing after all. But think for a minute: Isn't that the way it appeared when Jesus was arrested and executed as a common criminal? Don't you think his disciples were stunned and devastated and didn't know what to think, because as I pointed out, the reality of Jesus' death was concealed from them. So that was a huge test of their faith. And that's the very same thing we are going to have to go through.actally I am getting some real finger cramps here, so we may havew to take this up later.aaaggggghhhhh!!!! / You Know
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  mindfield

  Interesting points, but you've used a totally different situation for your comparison.

  Jesus was never wrong. He never told his disciples to do something he later changed. Not so with the GB. Did he ever make a decision that had negative impacts on the whole disciple community? Did he ever tell them when he believed the "end" would arrive?

  That's where it gets interesting. Often, to defend the GB's mistakes on date-emphasizing, we used the disciples as examples of how even apostles can be wrong. But now, you've used Jesus as an example of how JW's faith will be tested. Who are you comparing Jesus to today? The GB? That wouldn't be logical, as the GB claim to be followers of God, disciples if you will. If we believe that they're God's earthly servant, then the whole analogy crumbles.

  If the GB community died, yes, I agree, it would be a test of faith for JW's as well. But we're not talking about their faith. We're talking about decisions they took that had a huge negative impact on the JW community.
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  You Know

  I just wanted to finish this thought before I succumb to carpel tunnel syndrome. The very last verse of Joel refers to the sons of Judah, who are the brothers of Christ. And it says: "And I will consider innocent their blood that I had not considered innocent."

  So, Jehovah's purpose is to punish us to the proper degree and then let us off the hook so that Jehovah's undeserved kindness comes to the fore. That's why Jesus said that "mercy exalts triumphantly over judgment." Those who stay loyal to the brothers of Christ during their humiliation, when they will bear the reproach of Christ, will also be rewarded. That's basically how the Jjudgment is going to work.

  / You Know
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  mindfield

  Punish us to the proper degree? Seems to me the whole lot of the GB should be killed several times.

  When you've recovered, please continue explaining exactly why the WT is God's org.
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  You Know

  Jesus was never wrong.

  No but he appeared to be wrong. So it took faith to keep believing that he was the Messiah. Because they understood at the time that the kingdom was going to be in Jerusalem. They had no concept that Jesus was going back to heaven. So it was a test of their faith. That's the similarity.

  That's it for me tonight boys. / You Know