Not us, Isaac! The ANOINTED! They were just letting us study about them in their book. We were just their "comanions". They were upper class, we were lower class (both relatively and relationally)
Understanding Revelation (According to the JWs)
by brotherdan 96 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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brotherdan
I think I may have scared debator off with those photos. She was trying to say that JWs were not expecting fireworks. But then I showed her that they were expecting...FIREWORKS. And death...lots and lots of death and screaming and torture.
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Think About It
"Thou wilt lengthen out leviathan (the locomotive) with a hook (automatic coupler) and a snare (coupling-pin) which will cause his tongue (coupling-link) to drop down." [Biblical reference to Leviathan is fulfilled by the arrival of the Locomotive Engine]
That was funny. Reminded me of some of the "Late Great Planet Earth" stuff Hal Lindsey would come up with.
The internet is a wonderful thing. Probably very few JW's today can see the crackpot stuff of yesteryear they believed. Would be cool if they came up with a Revelation prophecy about the internet.
Think About It
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brotherdan
Thanks to AuntBee for this video!!!
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djeggnog
@brotherdan:
Will you please explain to me the understanding of how the 7 trumpet blasts in Revelation were fulfilled? Has it already happened? Is it future? How are we to understand this series of passages in Revelation?
That which you read in Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 11 speaks primarily to a "third" of the earth, who at the time that those seven angels blew their trumpets represented Christendom. Back in the 1500s, one-fifth of the world’s population professed to be Christians, by the 1800s, one-fourth were professed Christians, but by 1900, there were one in three professed Christians. In 1955, roughly a third of the world population were professed Christians, 787 billion out of 2.4 billion; by 1958, roughly a third of the population were professed Christians, 820 million out of 2.7 billion people. By 1962, roughly a third, some 888 million out of 2.9 billion, were professed Christians, and by 1969, a little more than a third of the world population professed to be Christians, some 977 million out of 3.4 billion.
Between the years 1922 and 1928, there were held here in the US seven international conventions wherein resolutions were read that "trumpeted" judgment messages from Jehovah (pun intended), the final three of which were woes (Revelation 8:7-13), but all of these judgment messages were directed at that most reprehensible third of the world, Christendom. The point to be made here though is that, in 1918, there was a lecture in 1918 entitled "Millions Now Living May Never Die," which lecture, in 1920, was distributed as a booklet, but when, in 1922, the advertising of the king, Jesus Christ, and the kingdom was the keynote address at the Cedar Point convention, and became the impetus for the kingdom preaching work, and so the year 1922 came to be associated with the blowing of the first four trumpets.
The final three trumpet blasts included what occurred on March 1919 with the fifth trumpet blast that signalled the first of three woes, when prominent officials and representatives of the Watch Tower Society came out of the figurative "abyss" and were finally admitted to bail after having been indicted* by a federal grand jury on May 6, 1918, for interfering with war activities and being a threat to national security. More specifically, these eight WTS officials were accused of conspiring to obstruct the draft, discourage enlistment and foment insurrection and insubordination among the armed forces of the US, which trial began on June 3, 1918, as $2,500 had to be deposited for each man as bail during the trial, which on June 20, 1918, led to a jury finding them "Guilty" on all four counts, and on the following day, June 21, 1918, seven of the eight men being to terms of 20 years each, and the remaining Watchtower official to a ten-year term. (Revelation 9:1-19)
While these men did make application for a stay of the unfair judgment and admission to bail while pending appeal, they were denied a stay and bail, and so this attack upon the heavenly kingdom of God led to eight ambassadors of the kingdom being deprived of their liberty which caused deathlike inactivity with respect to the preaching of God's kingdom to began as these men were moved from New York to the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia, on July 4, 1918, where they spent the next nine months of their lives in a federal penitentiary figuratively "killed" off by Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, just as was foretold would, in fact, occur. (Revelation 11:3-13)
Now, @brotherdan, there is no way that I would know in advance what @debator or what anyone else here would post, if anything, in response to your missive, but the Bible book of Revelation, like the other 65 canonical books of the Bible, were written for the benefit of Jehovah's Witnesses that we -- Jehovah's Witnesses -- might have hope (Romans 15:4), and it serves absolutely no purpose for anyone that isn't interested in the Bible's message regarding the heavenly kingdom of God, which message not only speaks of the need for repentance on all of our parts, but the exercising of faith in the ransom sacrifice of mankind Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, for forgiveness of sins for the preservation of life, even eternal life here on a paradise earth, to understand what is for Jehovah's Witnesses fulfillment of God's prophetic word which through hindsight serves to further strengthen God's people as the revelation of Jesus Christ looms ever nearer.
What benefit would there be for someone that knows the meaning of "the sign of the Son of man" (Matthew 24:39), that it signifies that the end of the present system of things has arrived, when this sign also means sudden destruction from which there is no escape (2 Thessalonians 5:3)? What benefit could obtaining an understanding as to the meaning of as single aspect of Jesus' apocalyptic prophecy regarding the seven trumpet blasts be to someone perishing when what the apostle John's entire prophecy means is that there is absolutely no chance that he or she will survive Armageddon? It does seem to me that you have thrown out this question for no good purpose; you have asked in order to ridicule the things taught by Jehovah's Witnesses, things which you do not understand, things that will not impact you at all, at least, not in the same way those seven trumpet blasts impact the work of Jehovah's Witnesses and God's eternal purpose.
@djeggnog
*Pursuant to US espionage and sedition laws, these eight men were indicted for "unlawfully and feloniously did conspire, combine, confederate and agree together, and with divers other persons to the said Grand Jurors unknown, to commit a certain offense against the United States of America, to wit: the offense of unlawfully, feloniously and wilfully causing insubordination, disloyalty and refusal of duty in the military and naval forces of the United States of America when the United States was at war, to the injury of the military and naval forces of the United States of America, and to the injury of the United States of America, through and by personal solicitations, letters, public speeches, distributing and publicly circulating throughout the United States of America a certain book called Volume VII Bible Studies The Finished Mystery, and distributing and publicly circulating throughout the United States certain articles printed in pamphlets called Bible Students Monthly, Watch Tower, Kingdom News and other pamphlets not named."
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leavingwt
djeggnog:
the Bible book of Revelation, like the other 65 canonical books of the Bible, were written for the benefit of Jehovah's Witnesses
This statement is a miracle of concision and an excellent summary for all non-JWs reading this site.
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isaacaustin
DJeggnog,
The WT disagrees with you. They stated it was written to the Christian cong- which in JW-land means the annointed.
Go back out and play now.
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debator
Hi brotherdan
Are we jumping to Armageddon now? I thought we were discussing the 7 trumpet blasts?
Because Armageddon is a predicted flood type event by Jesus and the apostles and is only the second time that we do fully see God's judgement on a worldly scale in a predicted literal way. This is not the same as events in the 7 trumpets that are very symbolic. But if you wish to confuse the two that is your choice.
If you quote Isaac's skewed "hananiah is a false prophet and so are you" opinion in your letter you will only show yourself as being ignorant of the Bible.
A false prophet by the definition of deut 18 has to claim to speak the very words of God himself basically claiming to be inspired, getting visions or words directly from Jehovah. Did hananiah do this?
Jeremiah 28:1-2
1 In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of Jehovah in the presence of the priests and all the people: 2 "This is what Jehovah Almighty, the God of Israel, says: 'I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.
Yes! he did he wasn't intepreting already written scripture but claiming to say words directly from God himself! Witnesses have never claimed the ability to see visions, to be inspired, to be able to speak directly to Jehovah.
So whoever reads your letter will see that you simply have a faulty Bible knowledge and have been fooled by someone who likes to make claims that the scriptures he quotes actually disprove.
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cyberjesus
Are the trumpets of revelation made of copper? If they are seven do they play both harmony and melody? Do they use the F extension? Do the players know how to blow or just fake it? Why only trumpets and not drums too?
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Joshnaz
All I can think of is those trumpets from Monty Pythons Holy Grail. Where they are blowing them out of their ass.