BrotherDan's POV

by PSacramento 59 Replies latest jw friends

  • factfinder
    factfinder

    Hi Flipper! You express very nicely how I feel. My brother and his wife think that any time I question anything the jws say that I am attacking their beliefs. They feel what jws say is always right and everything else is always wrong. He felt that my talking to him about my doubts or information I discovered on the internet ( especially from this forum) or asking any questions is a threat to his faith. He said I am "satan's mouthpiece" and he does not want to hear from me again. Yes, this is how witnesses are conditioned to think. I used to feel that way too a long time ago. But I saw so much wrongdoing over the years, and felt unsatisfied with the wts explanation of certain scriptures and other things and, well, it all eventually led to my being more open minded and willing to listen to what others say.

    I am not trying to destroy anyone's faith. No one should base their faith on what I say. But on this forum we do get to share our experiences, doubts and questions with others and some people do listen. I know many here experienced things that I went through as a witness too.

    And Haddit- I agree with your comments too. ( I don't know how to quote from peoples posts here). As a witness you do feel 100% sure you have everything worked out. You have the wonderful paradise earth to look forward to, and all your health problems will be removed and you know you will have a wonderful eternal life there and get to see your dead loved ones there again and have your friends there with you. It is a certainty and you base your life on that. Then you discover it is not true and your future hope is gone and you have nothing and find out you knew nothing.

    I was not a born in like many of you were. I was born and raised Jewish. I chose to become a witness. I believed in it 100%. My family disowned me pretty much. Years and years went by. Then I discover: I was lied to. I'm not going to have that wonderful future. Now everything looks bleak. I don't know what to believe, indeed, I no longer believe much. I am done with religion.

    But I'm not trying to attack anyone or their beliefs with anything I post. I am too new to be that familiar with BrotherDan, but I hope he was not offended by anything I wrote. I'm just trying to find answers. I enjoy reading most of what is posted on this forum and everyone is entitled to their own views, ideas and beliefs.

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread
    we are interested in making people think with a clear, free, open , critical thinking mind .

    Are you serious?

    No one on earth has one of those.

    No one.

    JDW

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime
    Are you serious?
    No one on earth has one of those.
    No one.

    What is your point?

    Nobody knows everything, but that doesn't make education useless.

    We should all strive to have a clear, free, open, and criticially thinking mind - even if it is something we never quite 100% acheive.

    - Lime

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep
    Then you discover it is not true and your future hope is gone and you have nothing and find out you knew nothing.

    The problem is, a lot of us take quite some time to figure that out. Some of us, never. Meanwhile, they might still behave like cult members, claiming they are attacked etc. when others question the set of beliefs they have cherry picked from the wreckage and want to convert everyone else to believing.

    Having a track record that includes 20, 30, 50, years of being duped by a cult doesn't automatically qualify you as an expert on religion. You have to start from scratch. Can you trust your religious books just because your previous cult used them? What if you'd been born in Baghdad, Palestine, Jerusalem, or the YFZ Ranch?

    You can get the man out of the cult, but can you get the cult out of the man?

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread
    What is your point?

    How can you teach others to have what you yourself do not have?

    You don't even have an original thought.

    JDW

  • notverylikely
    notverylikely

    How can you teach others to have what you yourself do not have?

    You don't even have an original thought.

    Since you would have to be mildly educated to know that, you're certainly not in position to know.

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread

    NVL,

    You can't even handle a woman.

    Now, go have another drink.......on the house.

    JDW

  • notverylikely
    notverylikely

    You can't even handle a woman.

    Now, go have another drink.......on the house.

    Weird, you simultaneously pronounce your ignorance and think I don't have another drink. Ignorant AND stupid. You can fix one if you try. Just try not to think, it doesn't suit you.

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    My two cents on all of this is that everyone should be free to have an opinion and a position...that is one thing we were not allowed to enjoy as JW's. The danger I see is that the lack of tolerance for other's opinions or beliefs is what alienated us about JW's in the first place, and many easily fall back into that same pattern in there current beliefs.

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    High hopes that brotherdan's wife wends her way here some day, so we can hear the other side of the story.

    "Peace that excels all thought" to her and her children.

    ~Sue

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