Is the teaching of religion really a form of child abuse?

by Snoozy 25 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Heaven,

    That is precisely what got me interested in the Craft. It's a do it yourself religion that means no coercion. It's beautiful.

    Wicca is so much for freedom of thought and will (except the control of others' free will and doing harm), that the kids of Wiccan parents are shown what Wicca is but are not raised Wiccan.

    They are given the tools (haha) to make their own choice without pressure to conform, and they are loved the same no matter what they choose.

    My daughter and I are Wiccan but my son is Assembly of God Pentecostal. Yet, religion does not divide our family at all (geography does, but that's another story).

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Teaching (or informing) is not the same thing as forcing a religion on a child.

    That being said, it is the right of the parent to teach their children as they see fit, so this is a very slippery slope.

    -Sab

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Snoozy, have you read the "irrational atheist" by Vox Day?
    He addresses that issue and many other by Dawkins, Hitchens and a few others.

    Here is a bit.

    Turns out that children who are raised in religious households are psychologically healthier than those raised in irreligious ones.

    Here is the source study from the APA:

    http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/161/12/2303

    RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found. CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

    BTS

  • cofty
    cofty

    Which raises an ethical dlemma - if it is true that religious belief results in healthier children, does that make it right to saddle them with a superstitious worldview?

    Personally I think not. Truth is always to be preferred even if it is less comforting.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Which raises an ethical dlemma - if it is true that religious belief results in healthier children, does that make it right to saddle them with a superstitious worldview?

    Superstitious world view?

    superstition noun

    Click to hear the UK pronunciation of this wordClick to hear the US pronunciation of this word /?su?.p?'st??. ? n/ /-p?-/ n [ C or U ] belief which is not based on human reason or scientific knowledge, but is connected with old ideas about magic, etc.

    Personally I think not. Truth is always to be preferred even if it is less comforting.

    Well, not getting into a debate about what "truth" is, I agree.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    More studies.

    On the elderly:

    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/119/3/410.abstract

    Three psychosocial variables were significant predictors: religiousness, happiness (as rated by the interviewers), and presence of living offspring. The first two reduced the risk of mortality primarily among the elderly who were in poor health, while the third one did not interact with health status.

    Regarding adolescents:

    http://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(05)00466-0/abstract

    Constructs such as spiritual coping and religious decision-making were the ones most often studied and were generally positively associated with health outcomes.

    Children:

    http://ideas.repec.org/p/iza/izadps/dp5215.html

    A body of literature has developed that relates religion (denomination) and religiosity (religious beliefs and practices) to the physical, mental, and emotional health of adults. Studies suggest that religious involvement among adults is associated with lower mortality rates, less frequent unhealthy behavior (eg., drug and alcohol use and abuse), and a lower prevalence of anxiety, depression and suicide, among other health outcomes (eg., Johnson et al., 2002; Koenig et al., 2001; Lee and Newberg, 2005; McCullough and Smith, 2003; Regnerus, 2003).

    Several studies of youth found that involvement in religion is associated with low rates of suicide, attempted suicide, and contemplation of suicide (eg., Borowsky et al., 2001; Donahue and Benson, 1995;Kandel et al., 1991; Stein et al., 1989, 1992; Watt and Sharp, 2001). Involvement in religious activities among youth is also associated with a lower engagement in unhealthy behavior, such as alcohol and drug use and unsafe sexual behavior (eg., Donahue and Benson, 1995; Miller and Gur, 2002).

    This study suggests that the findings in the literature of a positive health effect of religious affiliation and practice for adults may also apply to children. The literature also indicates that better child health results in better adult health. Thus, starting a child on the path of religious belief and involvement can have beneficial health effects in the short-run and in the long-run. This has favorable implications for personal well-being and health care costs.These findings have implications for religious communities and denominations. Theinvolvement of children in religious practices, and providing them with the opportunity to obtain religious human capital, will not only increase their religious involvement as they become adults, but will also have beneficial spill-over effects, even if not intended, on the health of the congregation.

    Finally, there are implications for public policy. A religion-friendly public policy, even without favoring any one religion, can have positive have positive effects on the population’s health status, even among children, and thereby reduce public expenditures on health care. Health care costs have been rising rapidly in the past several decades, from 5% of GDP in 1960 to 16% in 2005, i.e., $6,697 per person per year, and are expected to reach 20% by 2015 (Catlin et al., 2007;Sood et al., 2007). In addition, healthier adults generate greater productivity and higher life satisfaction.

    http://www.livescience.com/health/070424_religion_kids.html

    Study: Religion is Good for Kids

    Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development.

    The conflict that arises when parents regularly argue over their faith at home, however, has the opposite effect.

    John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids, most of them first-graders, to rate how much self control they believed the kids had, how often they exhibited poor or unhappy behavior and how well they respected and worked with their peers.

    The researchers compared these scores to how frequently the children’s parents said they attended worship services, talked about religion with their child and argued abut religion in the home.

    The kids whose parents regularly attended religious services—especially when both parents did so frequently—and talked with their kids about religion were rated by both parents and teachers as having better self-control, social skills and approaches to learning than kids with non-religious parents.

    But when parents argued frequently about religion, the children were more likely to have problems. “Religion can hurt if faith is a source of conflict or tension in the family,” Bartkowski noted.

    Most Atheists think this life is all that there is to be had, the fact that those that believe in an afterlife and attend church regularly get MORE of it is, therefore, ironic:

    http://www.livescience.com/health/060403_church_good.html

    Churchgoers Live Longer

    There are many things you can do to increase your life expectancy: exercise, eat well, take your medication and ... go to church.

    A new study finds people who attend religious services weekly live longer. Specifically, the research looked at how many years are added to life expectancy based on:

    Regular physical exercise: 3.0-to-5.1 years

    Proven therapeutic regimens: 2.1-to-3.7 years

    Regular religious attendance: 1.8-to-3.1 years

    Looks like the atheist claim equating religious upbringing to child abuse does not pass the measure they claim to love so much: empirical evidence.

    Religious upbringing equates with better health, better relationships, less substance abuse, lower suicide, and greater well being.

    BTS

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    I recall a study that was done that I read while in university, about depression and quality of life and the relation with religion.

    If I recall correctly it stated that people in a "moderate religion" (a religion in which they were free to go and please as they like and even disagree with the tenents of siad religion) were far happier and less prone to depression then those with no religion or in "high control" religion.

    I recall that study because the "high control" religion had the JW's in brackets ( along with Amish and I found that kind of funny too).

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    My gut instinct is that the studies that show religious people are mentally healthier has the bias that it exists on a planet that is overwhelmingly religious. Of course the social pressure of religiosity is going to have an effect on people.

    I wonder whether a planet peopled by a vast majority of atheists would show the same results (religious people are healthier). My guess is that the results would be opposite.

    In other words, it isn't being irreligous that hurts one's mental health, it is being a social minority.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Dawkins says religion is child abuse:

    http://richarddawkins.net/articles/118

    This study tracked 2500 children:

    http://www.youthandreligion.org/sites/default/files/imported/publications/docs/RiskReport1.pdf

    It shows a negative correlation (more religion meant less undesired behaviors) between religious indoctrination and drunkenness, drug abuse, smoking and many kinds of juvenile delinquence (vandalism, arson, theft, trespassing, etc) and violent behavior (fighting, striking teachers).

    On the other hand, it shows a positive correlation between religious indoctrination and volunteerism and exercise.

    Real child abuse, however, causes increases in all of the above, and includes many psychological disorders.

    The data show that Dawkins is full of fail.

    BTS

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Mad Sweeny,

    Well, I am sure one can question any emperical data study, I mean the ID people and Young Earth peopel do it all the time ;)

    The fact that a study can be questioned doesn't make it any less accurate.

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