She made her own prophecy without even knowing it. The four letter word is within her name and time has proven it to be fulfilled.
De BAIT or
A FOUR LETTER WORD FOR DEBATOR
by wasblind 155 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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cantleave
SHAMUS!!!!!!!! Nice to see ya !
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moshe
TD, as usual you have cut to the meat of the problem with the WT leader's promises and the excuses that it's members make for their failed promises.
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isaacaustin
Reniaa, using the name Debator said:
Hi wasblind
Imperfection means we can and do make mistakes and The bible gives us ample proof of that. We are given the bible to help correct and avoid those mistakes but it doesn't stop them happening.
God's people are not marked by their lack of mistakes but their reliance on Jehovah and his word to be refined and be corrected from them.
You use one example which is prophecy interpretation (an easy target) since it involves recognising signs in the world around us for Biblical prophetic fulfilment.
If you example was more honest I would give you more credit. When has any biblical prophecy been 100% except in hindsight?
It is a biblical fact that we do get surprised by how God's prophecies work out despite being told about them. The best we can do is be prepared "keep on watch" Which is what we are doing as Jehovah's witnesses.
My reply: Reniaa, Renia you false prophet you! The WT lead the religions of the world in false prophecies...they do not keep watch ofBible prophecy- they make their own.
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debator
Hi Mad dawg
why are you using Baptists as a comparison?
They follow the trinity god so even if they preach that particular god they are not preaching the true message of the Bible. They have 100% failure to preach about Jehovah almighty God.
And Baptists are known for having diverse beliefs differing from church to church. Only the immersion of adults being the one common factor.
99% of Christendom believe loosely in a trinity god which has many different forms but under that heading no two teachings are the same to any great degree.
Most of Jehovah witnesses main biblical doctrines where found and refined quite early on by deep study of real Bible truths letting the Bible explain itself and simply haven't changed since our emergence out of the trinity apostasy.
What is often sneakily used on here as examples for your (less than honest) claims against Witnesses is prophecy fulfilment interpretation which is a continuous process until they are fulfilled which also applies to cultural changes that have to be measured against applied Bible principle.
There is not one single example of People getting condemned for interpreting (Already written) bible prophecy. What you use on here are scriptures refering to people claiming to be inspired and making their own prophecies straight from God which is condemned deut 18 being a classic choice (but carefully edited to ignore the clear reference to claiming words directly from God)
Do you know what is worse about this forum?
It's lack of originality! People on here use the same worn, tired false arguments that are easy to disprove Biblical and are usually just clever word games to justify your positions.
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isaacaustin
Reniaa, Reniaa, Reniaa are the holiday blues getting to you? Are you still unable to accept that the JWs are false prophets and the very epitome of false relgion? Are you unable to accept that their so-called refinements are simply damage control over false prophecies and false teachings? Might I suggest you go see a therapist who specializes in those under cultic mind control, such as yourself?
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designs
Debator-
The main difficulty with the Watchtower Society under Jehovah's Witnesses and their claim to being God's Organization and chosen in 1919 is that the Bible Students of 1919 believed an entirely different set of Beliefs about Jehovah, Jesus, the Kingdom.
The Two Groups are as different as Pentecostals and Presbyterians.
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debator
Hi TD
My name s debator! Not some long gone ex-posters name.
You appeal to emotion however cleverly worded regarding CoC doesn't hold up in the face of it's commercial history. It was published and provided Ray with money to live on among more publications he did on witnesses.
The moment he made any money on it takes away any credibility of him being this hard done by person.
"lacking Moral integrity" another baseless aspersion with no facts to back it up.
Like others you use the easy target of prophecy fulfilment which in every Biblical example is only 100% in hindsight and only truly gets seen at fulfilment but we are still meant to use it.
one by one interpretations get refined until they get fulfilled and we can look backwards and see the truth of them from how God inspired them originally. refinement in interpretation is not a sin but a necessity.
What lenient standard? All mankind is imperfect ATM to expect perfection is your unrealistic expectation on our Shepherds, that you ask of no other religious shepherds other than Jehovah's witnesses not even the Pope who actually does claim to have Papal infallibility.
God doesn't expect perfection of us but to use the Bible to get the correction which we do.
IF we have got a prophecy understanding wrong we go back to the bible!
If we have got a cultural issue wrong we go back to the bible.
If we need refinement we go back to the Bible.
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designs
At any given moment along the process of Refining doctrines and teachings you can be censored or disfellowshipped for disagreeing with a transient position.
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isaacaustin
Reniaa aka Debator said:
Hi TD
My name s debator! Not some long gone ex-posters name.
My reply: That is the name you came back under after you stopped posting as Reniaa...and you still have not denied that you are the same person who posted as Reniaa! LOL
I can think of 4 letter words for you.