Congresswoman Shot in Tucson

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  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Does it matter that he was on the left? No. Let's spin this thing for political gain! Democrat operatives think Obama should totally use this shooting to smear tea partiers.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47294.html

    One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did.

    “They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”

    To use this tragedy to smear a huge percentage of the electorate, which is law abiding, hard working, and politically involved to enact positive change at the ballot box is disgusting.

    I hope this will backfire on them.

    BTS

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    That kind of violent talk is wrong if it comes from the right or from the left.

    No matter where it comes from, it is wrong.

    The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the 'gun', 'fight', 're-load', 'revolution', 'battle', 'blood', 'target' type of rhetoric is coming from the right right now.

    This democratic congress woman has had threats, a gun brought to her town hall, her office shot at, and now she's been shot. It is not a surprise.

    Who knows how many more crack pots are out there, with their guns loaded, ready to try to stop the government that they have been told has been taken over by evil. These mentally ill people are just doing what they are being suggested to do 24 hours a day on the tv and radio.

    It needs to stop.

    Words matter.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the 'gun', 'fight', 're-load', 'revolution', 'battle', 'blood', 'target' type of rhetoric is coming from the right right now.
    Fucking bullshit.
    "I think it's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. In this case the hostage is the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed," Obama on keeping taxes from increasing, December 6, 2010

    "A Republican majority in Congress would mean "hand-to-hand combat" on Capitol Hill for the next two years, threatening policies Democratshave enacted to stabilize the economy," Obama, October 6, 2010
    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama in July 2008
    "Here's the problem: It's almost like they've got -- they've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger. You don't want them to blow up. But you've got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger." Obama on banks, March 2009
    "I want you to argue with them and get in their face!" Barack Obama, September 2008
    “We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” Obama to Latinos, October 2010
    “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010
    “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“ Obama on the private sector, June 2010
  • journey-on
    journey-on

    I can hardly stomach these kinds of threads anymore. The idiocy of anybody wanting to stop free disscussion and squash legitimate dissention because some crazy person perpetrated an horrendous act is beyond me!

    Using a symbol for targeting to represent the areas we need to target for a change in leadership does not by any stretch of a sane person's imagination translate into killing someone. Anybody (left or right) that buys into this is just looking for something to help fulfill this administrations paranoid and narcissistic desire to shut down anybody that voices an opposing opinion.

    There has been talk for months and months among the far left that certain media programs that lean right need to be shut down. How utterly ridiculous, but with this administration, nothing would surprise me. These people are off-the-wall-batshit crazy.

  • beksbks
    beksbks
    "I think it's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers, unless the hostage gets harmed. In this case the hostage is the American people and I was not willing to see them get harmed," Obama on keeping taxes from increasing, December 6, 2010

    "A Republican majority in Congress would mean "hand-to-hand combat" on Capitol Hill for the next two years, threatening policies Democratshave enacted to stabilize the economy," Obama, October 6, 2010
    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama in July 2008
    "Here's the problem: It's almost like they've got -- they've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger. You don't want them to blow up. But you've got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger." Obama on banks, March 2009
    "I want you to argue with them and get in their face!" Barack Obama, September 2008
    “We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” Obama to Latinos, October 2010

    “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010

    “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“ Obama on the private sector, June 2010

    Where is there a specific person named? Where is there an effigy of a real person being burned?

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Great Job Lisa. And you did it without cursing and calling someone a nasty name. You must be the grown up.

  • Violia
    Violia

    We vote in the USA. We debate and protest and argue the issues. A deranged person did a horrible thing. We are not going to shut down free speech b/c of that. We may argue and yell a bit or a lot at each other, but we settle it at the voting booth.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    I don't want to stop free discussion.

    Personally, what I want is for the media and politicians and political groups to tone down the rhetoric. Say what you want. Just be responsible about how you say it. I'm not in favor of laws about this or anything. I'm in favor of people voluntarily, for the good of the country, stopping with the violent rhetoric.

    Using a symbol for targeting to represent the areas we need to target for a change in leadership does not by any stretch of a sane person's imagination translate into killing someone.

    Quite right. It's the insane people who take these suggestions and act on them.

    There are a lot of insane people out there.

    We need to take that into account.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    That's the thing, Burns. There are crazies on both sides and all around. Go back a few decades. Most...indeed almost ALL political violence was from the far left. Yet, the liberals see THEIR violence somehow as more noble. Sheesh!

  • NeckBeard
    NeckBeard

    Two Sicknesses On Display in Arizona

    The shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the killing of several people by gunman Jared Loughner in Arizona yesterday has revealed two sicknesses.

    The first and most serious is the sickness living in Loughner's head. Evidence in the form of farewell videos, internet postings, and the recollections of people who knew him reveal a profoundly disturbed person who had veered far into a paranoid world. Loughner's complaints about government mind control and other rants were not "anti-government" in any political sense, but anti-government or anarchist in the Ted Kazynski-deranged sense. We do not know Loughner's motives, but those motives whatever they were were the byproduct of Loughner's clearly delusional view of the world.

    There also was a second sickness on display, and it was the swiftness and the vigor with which the left-wing blogosphere and some more mainstream Democrats immediately sought to blame Sarah Palin and right-wing "vitriol" in general for the shooting.

    Within minutes of the shooting being made known, two of the highest profile left-wing bloggers, Markos Moulitsas of DailyKos and Matthew Yglesias of Think Progress, pulled out a 10-month-old electoral map used at a Sarah Palin website showing almost two dozen congressional districts being targeted, including Giffords' district. The map was similar to one used by the Democratic Leadership Committee to target Republicans in the prior election cycle, and as Howard Kurtz points out, simply typical of campaign rhetoric using military-themed language.

    Markos explicitly accused Palin of having blood on her hands and Yglesias did so implicitly. Through retweets of this message and the map, the left-blogosphere (with some exceptions who took a wait-and-see attitude) took up the cudgel of turning this shooting to their political advantage. Think Progress ran updates with details on the Palin map and also an advertisement several months ago by Giffords' congressional campaign opponent also using military terminology. But clearly, Palin has been the focus, with a larger attack on "right wing vitriol."

    Not surprisingly, Keith Olbermann -- one of the most hateful television personalities who names a nightly "Worst Person In The World" -- joined the chorus. Even The New York Times joined the fray, reporting on the Palin map in its initial coverage, and running a Paul Krugman blog post blaming right-wing rhetoric.

    Numerous sources also are reporting that Judge John M. Roll, who was killed, had been the subject of threats because of an immigration ruling, but by all accounts Roll was not targeted and was at the event in a shopping area purely by coincidence.

    Yet not a single person pushing the blame-Palin line has offered a shred of evidence that Loughner ever saw Palin's electoral map, was motivated by it, was right-wing (anectodally it appears Loughner was quite left-wing as of a few years ago), was motivated by right-wing radio, or did any of the things being assumed by the left-blogosphere, the mainstream media and some Democratic politicians.

    Not a shred of evidence connecting Loughner to Palin, the Tea Parties, or the right wing, yet the left-blogosphere, mainstream media and Democratic politicians have erupted into a frenzy of name-calling directed at Palin and those who oppose Obama's agenda.

    Who knows what evidence will come forward in coming days, but based on what we know now, the attempt to blame Palin and opponents of Obama for the shooting is every bit as delusional as Loughner's attempt to blame government mind control.

    Unfortunately, this is not the first time we have seen this type of reaction. The meme that opponents of Obama are crazy and dangerous has been an explicit Democratic Party campaign strategy for over two years. Here is just a partial list of events in which the left-wing and Democratic Party media operation has immediately blamed right-wing rhetoric, only to be proven wrong when the facts finally came out: Bill Sparkman, Amy Bishop, The Fort Hood Shooter, The IRS Plane Crasher, The Cabbie Stabbing, and The Pentagon Shooter.

    The facts will come out about the shooting and murder by Loughner. Until then, we'll be subjected to the sickness of people who seek to use the crime to their political advantage and who will worry about the facts later on, if ever.

    In the meantime, our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the deceased and those injured.

    Update: Congresswoman Giffords took part in the reading of the Constitution on the floor of the House last week, an event which was denounced by the left-blogosphere and some Democrats as a stunt and a reflection of a fetish:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ6XMfL3pvs

    Interestingly, Think Progress posted this video on its YouTube channel back in November, of Democratic pollster (and former Hillary Clinton campaign manager) Mark Penn arguing that Obama needed "another Oklahoma City" in order to reconnect with the people:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_0Ixm21tn8

    The manner in which the left-wing is seeking to exploit this crime reflects an attempt to replicate the political success Bill Clinton had after the Oklahoma City bombing.

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