Continuity of the Bible - Start to Finish

by tyu 40 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • acolytes
    acolytes

    tyu

    Where does it say in the bible that Adam and Eve were created in perfection? show me the scripture ( )

    As their is no scripture to support Adam and Eve were created perfect, I suspect you will use freewill as an explanation?

    Adam being created with freewill and failing his first test refutes your statement that Adam and Eve were created with perfect reasoning. If Adam and Eve had perfect reasonning, then how could they miss-use the gift of freewill,by making a wrong decision.

    If Adam was created perfect it would be impossible for Adam to become imperfect.

    Where did you learn that Adam was created perfect? Was it a biblical explanation that was was used to support this belief? if so what biblical explanation?

    I think that the bible says in the begginning God created the light out of the darkness. I think the darkness is the false thinking of people. It doesnt exist. For example Jehovers Witnesses taugh for many years that the CREATOR PROMISED he would destroy everyone who was not a Jehovers Witness before the 1914 generation passed away. This is no longer taught has time has made either the CREATOR or the WATCHTOWER a liar.

    In a similar way you allurd to Adam and the apple how many witnesses were to lazy or cowdley to refute the above lie.

    Most posters on this board have shown that they are people neither lazy or cowdley and have stood up to what they believe the watchtower lie. Some then find the bible a lie. Others remain convinced its Gods word. Some loose faith in God and some come to have a stronger more personal relationship with God. But its not about a future life or things that happend in the past. Its about NOW. Now is the only time we have,and dont let the watchtower steal NOW from you.

    Acolytes

    Acolytes

  • tyu
    tyu

    Acolytes

    In Scripture it states that everythig God created was good. It doesn't say pretty good or mostly good, so yes, really the only possibility for evil was through free will. Adam and Eve really knew what they were doing when they sinned. Our reasoning is much more clouded than theirs was. We didn't come into this world in an ideal state like they did. Whatever was going on in the garden must have been more intense than we give it credit.

    I don't think being perfect, as a human being, means you can't make a wrong choice. Why else would the devil even bother tempting Jesus to sin?

    I totally agree with you on the 1914 thing. Jehovah's Witnesses is a manmade belief system. There are many inaccuracies and unfortunately it has led so many people astray. I am so saddend when I read these posts and see the harm done. I applaud those who have faced up to the lies and have risked much to do so. I only wish these good people wouldn't reject God, but would keep searching for what is really true. But perhaps they are and that is why they bother with this forum.

    Don't worry about me. The watchtower only makes me want to help others to find the truth even more. You're right that NOW is extremely important, but it's because the decisions we make now have eternal implications.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    If you read the bible from start to finish you can take it in many different ways, all depending on what preconceived notions you bring to the table.

    I myself see a progressive understanding of Man's nature, his palce in the universe and his view of God's will towards Man.

    Man doesn't always get what God wants or likes right, which makes sense since we are NOT God and see and interpret everything based on our own experiences.

    Take death for example, from some views on death being the end of all, to the views on Sheol, to the views on heaven to the views on the natire of the soul and spirit, to the views on life AFTER lifer after death, to views on the ressurection, we have a "progressive" understanding of the supposed nature of Death and what happens after.

  • the-illuminator81
    the-illuminator81

    So why would God then first lay down a law that forbids children to be punished for their fathers (Deuteronomy 24:16), but still have children inherit sin from their fathers and even threaten that he will bring punishment down to the fourth generation(Deuteronomy 5:9)?

    Yes the bible contradicts itself even in the same book.

    Or consider how God treats the Pharaoh and the Egyptians. He hardens the heart of the Pharaoh so that he can continue to punish the Egyptians. Can you call such a God just? Punish an entire country because he made their leader stubborn? (See Exodus 4:21, 7:3, 7:13, 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:4, 14:8 & 14:17). What does the bible tell us? God is cruel and full of trickery. Liken this to a God who makes George W. Bush invade Iraq and then kills every firstborn in the USA because of it. It just makes no sense unless you're a bored shepherd in Sinai, making up stories at the campfire.

  • acolytes
    acolytes

    P ACREMENTO

    If I rang Jehovers Witnesses Bethel they would have said what you wrote in your last post.

    Acolytes

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    If I rang Jehovers Witnesses Bethel they would have said what you wrote in your last post.

    LOL !
    Not according to the elders and Betherlites I used to have studies with !

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    So why would God then first lay down a law that forbids children to be punished for their fathers (Deuteronomy 24:16), but still have children inherit sin from their fathers and even threaten that he will bring punishment down to the fourth generation(Deuteronomy 5:9)?

    Well, those are two different things.

    We do inherit the "sins" of our fathers, be them in the physical sense or even the environmental sense.

    Of course the threat to bring punishment down to the fourth generation is something that I personally have issues with myself.

  • acolytes
    acolytes

    tyu

    So according to scripture you now say everything God created was good .. But good is not perfect...... Do we agree?( )

    So was Adam created according to scripture good or perfect?( )

    You say what ever was going on in that garden must have been more intence than we give credit.

    Then isnt it absurd to assume we can now totally comprehend it? YES OR NO ( )

    Do you assume to comprehend ?

    Acolytes

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Why forbid knowledge of all things? It isn't some arbitrary thing he forbid. The Fall of humankind is a very high price to pay for the alleged misjudgment of someone who may have been still a Neanderthal. Genensis taken literally is nonsensical. What would humans be without gnosis? I don't see how they are human without it. Gnosis seems to be an evolutionary adaptation, marking homo sapiens from prior races.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I don't think you've read the actual Bible!

    I really don't.

    You know why? It is UNreadable; that's why.

    Working in a bookstore, as I do, and in the religion and theology sections, as I do, I daily ask myself "Why are all these thousands of books necessary if the BIBLE MEANS ANYTHING?

    And the answer is plain and clear: The BIBLE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

    But, that doesn't stop people from wanting it to.

    So, here is what has happened for the last two thousand plus years:

    PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BELIEVE read --not the Bible--but WHAT OTHERS SAY about what the BIBLE IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN.

    That's it, in a nutshell.

    INTERPRETATION.

    It is opinion being screamed, cajoled, systematically wrangled, inculcated and twisted into some kind of mythic storyline.

    The simple-minded go for the simple story.

    The technically minded go for the theology.

    The spirtually minded go for the touchy-feeling miracles and love.

    The authoritarian know-it-alls write the damned books explaining it

    The confused but malleable go to Kingdom Halls and churches and soak it up and pray about it until they grow old and die without ever having

    had a real thought pass through their addled mind.

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