Continuity of the Bible - Start to Finish

by tyu 40 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • tec
    tec
    Because of Adam's mistake, you feel it really shows us God's great love for the human race when he allows billions of people to die, some in terrible ways over the past thousand of years.

    People want the freedom to do what they will. God allows them this. So the billions of people who die are a direct result of our choices. Including the first choice: Adam and Eve's, to choose their own way instead of following and trusting God and His way.

    Would you kill your children for eating the chocolate after you had told them not to?

    God did not kill Adam and Eve. They died as a result of what they did. A result God tried to warn them about to begin with.

    So why would God then first lay down a law that forbids children to be punished for their fathers (Deuteronomy 24:16), but still have children inherit sin from their fathers and even threaten that he will bring punishment down to the fourth generation(Deuteronomy 5:9)?

    Because we DO inherit sin from our fathers. We inherit their flaws, their prejudices, their way of thinking... sometimes we can rise above that, and sometimes not. We also inherit the world as our fathers left it for us, along with all its problems, prejudices, diseases, pollution, etc. So in that sense, children are punished for the sins of the fathers to however many generations. Not by God, though... by their own fathers.

    But God does not punish a son for his father's sin. Each man/woman is accountable to God, for themselves and their own actions.

    Why forbid knowledge of all things?

    When you know that knowledge of one of those things is going to cause that person's death. (you don't want to know what that poison tastes like, my son... you will die.)

    Tammy

  • tyu
    tyu

    Well said, Tec.

    Acolytes - I don't comprehend it all. How can we, as finite creatures completely comprehend the mysteries of the infinite? But that shouldn't stop us from striving to learn and understand as much as we can.

    Since God is perfect I would agrue that what He creates is perfect too. However, he did allow for an out, that being free will. If Adam never sinned creation would still be in perfect harmony. Adam decided to become imperfect. Stupid choice, yes, but it happened and now we face the consequences.

  • jam
    jam

    God is all knowing. That means that in advance he knows what

    we will do. If he knew last week that today I will cut the grass,

    am I free not to cut it today. God is all knowing or he has no idea

    what we are going to do in the next min. The angels had free will,

    look what happen to them (satan and his boys), you would think God

    would realize this free will thing is not working. My first creation (angels)

    decided to create thier own posse and war against me. The first man

    and woman made by my hands was defective. If you own A company

    and your product is made from A mold, if the prototype is defective are

    your mold have a defect what will happen to your goods, A recall.

    Maybe God should have recall Adam.

  • acolytes
    acolytes

    Hi Tyu...Thankyou for your responce.

    You said "I dont comprehend it at all. How can we as finite creatures comprehend the mysteries of the infinate?But that shouldnt stop as sriving to lrarn and understand all we can"

    Well in fairness the topic of your post is. Continuity of the bible-start to finnish.

    So whilst you kindly responded to my post, you faied to answer my questions with the biblical scripture to support your beliefs as I requested.

    The bible offers no scripture support to suggest Adam was created perfect. It says Adam was created in gods image.Notice after eating the fruit the bible says Adam was now likeness.

    Would you rather be created in gods image or likeness?

    Adam certainly wasnt created physically perfect, because he was created in a dying state. Otherwise why would he need to eat from the tree of life to live forever.

    If we take the account in the literal way he reads, Adam was given a choice with a consequence, and he exersised the right to that choice and consequence.

    The origional word for knowledge means door, and Adam chose to enter the door of being in the likeness of god (The explanation as to why he did this is not given) we can speculate that he loved Eve so much that he wanted to support her in what she did for numerouse reasons.We can speculate that the serpent was Jesus, who told the truth. We can speculate with good reason that the Lord God in the creation account was satan.This can be supported by many scriptues in the bible , for example Isiah. 45v7 Jehovah God says"I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the lord (Jehovah do all these things) compare this with Acts 26v18"To open their eyes and to turn them from darkness to the light,and from the power of satan to god"

    So if we read the creation account we find there is God, The Lord., and The Lord God . Do you assume these are all the same God?

    Why did Jesus speak so highly of the serpent to his disciples? Even instucting them to be as cautiose as a serpent?

    Did Adam and Eve die on the day they eat of the fruit or were their eyes opend and they became in Gods likeness as the serpent said .

    If we inherited sin through Adam, who created the genetics that allowed sin to pass on to us through Adam?

    If we are looking for continuity of the bible from -start to Finish, and are not lazy, but eager to learn,strive and understand we need to challenge beliefs that were ingraind in us without biblical support. We need to search and study independantly or certainly without a organisation that demands we accept all they teach.

    I think a good starting point from leaving the witnesses is to try and forget everything they taught. To start with a clean page so to speak. And to then find as many questions on a subject as possible. The answers can come later.

    Regards/Acolytes

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    God is all knowing. That means that in advance he knows what

    God knows all that is in man's hearts, knows all the animals of the world, God knows evertyhing that is possible for God to know, but there is no mention of omnisicence in the bible, though one CAN view it that way.

    It has been postulated that God, being outside of time and space, sees "all time" at the same time, so God can foresee all possible futures, for example, and yet not "know" which of those future will happen untill a decision ( by man for example) is made, though he KNOWS the result of that decision too. Remeber the bible does give God the qualities that seem to go against being "all knowing", he is surprised for example.

    we will do. If he knew last week that today I will cut the grass,
    am I free not to cut it today. God is all knowing or he has no idea
    what we are going to do in the next min. The angels had free will,
    look what happen to them (satan and his boys), you would think God
    would realize this free will thing is not working. My first creation (angels)
    decided to create thier own posse and war against me. The first man
    and woman made by my hands was defective. If you own A company
    and your product is made from A mold, if the prototype is defective are
    your mold have a defect what will happen to your goods, A recall.

    Maybe God should have recall Adam.

    As God's creation evolved, and I mean the whole universe and not just Man, it steered it's own course based on the Laws that God created to "hold his creation in place", Man was no exception.

    God is not a petty dictator, God is not a control freak that controls all action and thought and will, God KNOWS that if his creation does not "coem to Him" out of free will then it shouldn't coem to him at all.

    On a micro level: If you truly love someone, you set them free, it they come back to you of free will, then it is Love.

  • designs
    designs

    24/7 the angels line up and repeat holy holy holy holy holy holy, sounds like breakfast at Bethel

  • sir82
    sir82
    God didn't want them to know evil

    So "evil" existed before Adam & Eve's creation?

    Whence this quality known as "evil"?

    Did God create it? Or dream it up? If so, was the creation of evil, or the concept of evil if you will, also "good" in God's eyes?

    Or if God didn't create it, where did it come from? How many other things exist which are not creations of God?

  • acolytes
    acolytes

    PSACREMETO

    Their are many scriptures in the old testament that proove Jehover God is not all knowing(Google for a full comprehensive list)," and the lord god said,it is not good man should be alone, I will make a help mate for him (A suitable mate, and every ........................................to beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a help mate for him"

    Also this God who created Adam has provern to be a killer and murderer, and has had his servents kill and murder. Compare that with "thou shall not murder"

    Isiah 13v15 "Every one that is found shall be thrust through,and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword, their CHILDREN shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses shall be spoiled and their WIFES rapped"

    Now if Jesus was a reflection of God how do you reconsile the above scripture. The witnesses see the Jesus of the bible the way of the Jehover God of the o/T and they cant wait for armegeddon when you and I will be put to death by Jesus.

    How many men,women and children did the lord god destroy in the O/T, How many rapings, and puunishing the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.?

    why has this lord God kings22.19-23 made himself a LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all his prophets.? (I thought it was impossible for God to lie)

    Can you understand why sincere honest hearted people question the worship of such a GOD? I think this is particularly true of the Jehovers Witnesses who have had enough of the Watchtower o/t god.

    When i read geneside,and slaughter I refuse to condone it.

    Acolytes

  • TD
    TD

    By continuity, do you mean idealogical continuity? Would you say that James the Just and Paul where in idealogical agreement?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    Can you understand why sincere honest hearted people question the worship of such a GOD?

    Absolutely.

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