Tried to end my "bible" study, ended up agreeing to go to the Kingdom Hall instead!!!

by KristiKay 52 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • KristiKay
    KristiKay

    My JW came over yesterday with a video she wanted to show me, I forget what it was called but it was about the history of the Watchtower.

    Normaly I don't have a problem discussing the bible with her, but I just could't sit through this BS video. I already know the history of the watchtower,

    and it certianly isn't what this video was going to portray. Anyways my intention was to end our study. I feel it is a waste of both of our times, I know too much about this religion, and I want no part of it. So I had her stop the video and I explained that although I don't know the bible that well, I can tell when something just dosen't feel right. She knows I go on an "apostate" websight, and she thinks I'm confuseing myself by listening to bitter people. I told her the bottom line is that I don't care what I believed the truth was theres no way in hell I could ever shun my children or people I care about because they don't believe what I do anymore, it feels very un christian to me. (btw I don't believe any of the JW propaganda) I said if God did give me this life that I don't think he intended me to waste it by walking around thinking to myself how bad it is, telling people how bad it is,and expecting something better. I said I have beuatiful things in my life, and yes there are "wicked" people out there but I'm not constantly looking over my shoulder, basicly she knows that I don't believe there are any of the signs that we are in the end times. I said that I don't believe that the WT is Gods organisation, I told her about the settelment they had to pay because of their policy on dealing with child molesters (she had no idea). Well, after a lot of back and forth, I finally said, look, a lot of the bible can be manipulated, taken out of context to support certian beliefs, but one thing that is very clear to me is what it says about false prophets, and in their own magazines they have implied, and sometimes claimed to be phrophets. She said thats something she would be interested in, but not comming from apostate sites. I told her all she has to do is look up some of the watchtowers older plubications. She said well what do you want to do now? I said well, I think maybe I should go to church, and see how I feel about that. She asked me if I would also go to the Kingdom Hall, and I was like. you know what? sure. I'll go. But last night I looked up and wrote down dates and page numbers of WT publications, along with some pretty damning quotes that she can look up for herself. I don't want to make her have doubts in her religion, but she is so persistant! Anyways isn't that what she is trying to do to me? I'm sure even after reading those things, who knows if she actualy will, she will work it out in her mind that they are not false prophets. So in my effort to end my study I somehow ended up agreeing to go to the Kingdom Hall. My husband and friends find this hilarious. Oh well.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Kristi, you poor kind thing, I think this is hilarious!

    I hope you will hear many good, wholesome illustrations and insightfull comments on how great jehovah is, and how much better the jehovahs witness are compared to basically everyone you know .

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    KK, exactly what are you trying to accomplish here? Going to the Hall just means you're surrounded by even more people who are there to beat you into submission. I see this as a huge waste of your time. You aren't going to convince them of anything, least of all at a KH where everyone is surrounded by the hounders. Their sole purpose is to indoctrinate YOU.

    You need to cut this off now. Be abrupt. Be firm. If they don't take No for an answer threaten them with the legal system. Harrassment is not to be tolerated.

    Of course, if this is how you wish to spend your time, then go for it. I can think of a number of other things I'd rather be doing than spending my time in a creepy KH.

  • fokyc
    fokyc

    Just SO typical!

    They are so crafty, when you get to the hall, they will 'love bomb' you,

    then you should think what wonderful people they are and you will stay.

    It is just like fishing and you are on the hook!

    Just cut and run now or it will be too late.

    From my own personal experience.

  • KristiKay
    KristiKay

    You know what Heaven? you are absoultly right. This is a testament to how boreing my life has become lately!! I used to have a very exciteing life, sometimes too much so. This just goes to show that even a former "party girl" can be tamed by two little ones at home and a morgage... I'm going to have a serious talk with my husband...He needs to start takeing me out more, and I need to find a different hobby: )

  • Soldier77
    Soldier77

    Well, all I can say is... I hope you wear your bullshit proof outfit.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    I don't want to make her have doubts in her religion, but she is so persistant! Anyways isn't that what she is trying to do to me?

    And this is the difference between normal people and cult recruiters. KristiKay, as a normal person, feels like it is a sort of infringement upon someone to try to get them to change their religion. Cult recruiters, like all JWs are, feel like it is God's will to get people to change theirs.

    Succinctly: itsacult

    But Kristi, since this woman IS trapped in a dangerous mind-control cult, you would be doing her a favor by trying to free her mind. Even if she never quits being JW completely, a free mind is a basic human right that cults like the WT take away from people.

  • yknot
    yknot

    Here let me help you out.....

    You will be permanently banned as a result, maybe even ushered out of the KH ASAP, depending on BOE personality....

    Download and print this page to show the Literature Servant and any Elder who are involved.

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/r169zb The key elements of the page (copyright page from Shepherding) is the phrase "This publication is not for sale. It is provided as part of a worldwide Bible educational work supported by voluntary donations." Should an Elder attempt to get crafty, you can point out this is printed on all the copyright pages in all the present books. Thusly much like the 'Bible Teach' book it too is equally part of the 'bible education work' and you are interested in squashing the 'much ado' suggested by 'opposers'.

    Upon entering KH, meet and greet with JW and walk up to the literature counter together (maybe grab an elder if you can along the way).

    Once at the counter tell your JW that you have been warned that the WTS is a 'culty secret society' and was given a challenge you know will be proved wrong and that is part of the reason you came today, to 'make sure all things'......then calmly (with a straight face) ask the Literature Servant for a hardcopy of the 2010 publication 'Shepherd the Flock of God......

    Be firm and truly shocked when they refuse, make a fuss, make excuses or ask you to leave....

    The JW should never contact you again (in theory) however if she does, this time show her the full pdf and this site......ask her to join you in an online discussion with us. If she says no, tell her you believe the WTS is indeed a cult.

    (if you actually do the above please post back as many of us wish to have been a fly on the wall observing)

    Giggles!

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Hi there KK,

    I truly understand what you are going through, they can be relentless!!!!!

    one of the things that helped get them off my back was taking them through

    scripture that teaches different from what they teach. this is what I did.

    1) If you don't have a reasoning book , ask her to open hers and turn to page 199, and read what the definition under Jehovah's Witnesses say. It says they actively bear witnesses of Jehovah.

    2) Turn to Acts 1:8 Jesus specifically told the apostles that they would recieve holy spirit and be witnesses of him.

    3) Now turn to 1 Corinthians 15: 1-26, that section tells what the good news is and how it should be preached ( It's all about Jesus) that chapter shows that whats on page 199 in the Reasoning book is wrong. they are supposed to be witnesses of Jesus

    4) Ask her to turn to page 208 in the Reasoning book at the bottom of the page it states " Christians are supposed to be witnesses for Jesus, not Jehovah." under thier reply they introduce teaching about Jehovah as a new thought to you.

    5) turn to Galatians 1:8 Paul gives a warning about anything different from what he declared as good news , even if it came from an angel is cursed

    you don't have to be a Bible scholar to see that their teaching is wrong, even they know that they are supposed to be witnesses of Jesus, that's why they put that question in on page 208. because they know that's what the Bible teach, but they are trying to introduce you to a new thought which is a no no according to Paul in Gal. 1:8

    They are truly going beyond what paul declared as good news.

  • mamalove
    mamalove

    Well just go for the pure experience of it and tell her it was nice knowing you and if she ever wants to meet and have coffee that would be nice. Just make it clean and short. She will get over it.

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