Ignorance of Silent Lambies

by proplog2 57 Replies latest jw friends

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  Ivor Hope

  proplog2,

  I have read the links provided in your post and find them very interesting. However, the reasonings detailed in those documents cannot be taken as a reason NOT to pursue and investigate suspected child abusers. There are clearly different opinions amongst the experts as highlighted by one of these articles "Even in her field, opinion is divided between fury and admiration. "I have nothing good to say about Elizabetb Loftus," says Bessel van der Kolk, M.D., a psychiatrist at Harvard, who is an expert in dissociative disorders. "I have only the highest regard for Elizabeth Loftus's work," states Frederick Crews, former chair of the English department at the University of California at Berkeley, and author of the most widely debated and discussed series of cover stories the New York Review of Books has ever published on the recovered-memory movement."

  As in most areas of scientific and medical research and endeavour there are diametrically opposed views held by similarly qualified "experts" in any given field.

  What is not and cannot be denied is that there is a very real problem of adults effecting sexual or other abuse on children. So whilst it is important to recognise there is always two sides to every story, we cannot ignore the problem because we know it will be difficult getting to the truth of that problem.

  The area that gets most people wound up about the WTS stance on this issue is their willingness to deal with matters of child abuse in their own way, which effectively means totally untrained and unqualified men interviewing potential serial molesters and then making a decision to allow them to continue within the cong, even continuing in positions of trust and respect, opening up further opportunities to practice their molestations. By their continued practice of keeping the profesionals and the authorities out of the equasion, they put even more children at risk!

  It's not an easy matter to resolve, but I for one believe our children should be given every right to protection from adult abuse in any form. In doing so there will no doubt be some suffering of innocent adults falsely or mistakenly accused. But what else can we do?
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  2SYN

  So Proplog2, you're saying that all of those little kids who were so badly abused should just be ignored? Great.

  You're just another person closing their eyes, slapping their hands over their ears, and shouting "LALALALALA!"

  Children get abused by JWs, and the Society covers this up. Explain away all of those documents on watchtower.observer and stuff!

  What if you had a kid and s/he was abused by an elder? Would you say "Oh, it's OK, 99% of child abuse cases are just fiction" and forget about it? I think NOT.
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  joelbear

  That whole innocent until proven guilty concept was a silly idea anyway.
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  Naeblis

  Are your panties in a knot again Joel? What religion are you today?
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  joelbear

  I'm just me. I speak for me and my feelings only.

  Joel
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  Naeblis

  I don't know. You seem to have perfected the art of the one lined smart ass comment the last little while. You're giving me a run for my money.
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  AlanF

  You, proplog2, are about the biggest friggin' hypocrite on this board since You Know split.

  Look at this bullshit you spewed in the post where you're now complaining about being taken to task:

  ::: The child abuse thing is just a bunch of lawyers trying to make money, victims who refuse to move on with their lives, and ex-elders who would like to beat up someone because they lost in a local power struggle.

  This is ridiculously one-sided and leaves no room for speculation that you think child molestation is a serious problem that needs to be corrected. Indeed, your statement merely dismisses it -- which is precisely what child molesters do. Then you have the gall to upbraid defenders of molested children with this hypocritical bullshit:

  : What a bunch of wall paper. 99% of the people on this forum are hopelessly believers in one sided non-sense.

  One-sided nonsense? On whose say so? Yours? On what basis do you call it one-sided? The basis of evidence? Clearly not, because you've given none. All you've written are bullshit attacks on those who defend victims. Again the tactics of a molester who doesn't want to see the enormity of what he has done.

  : I am tired of the abusive language that has been dumped on me by otherwise respectable participants.

  Too bad, asshole. Quit defending abusers.

  : It is assumed that if you aren't for the Silent Lambs cause then you are automatically and advocate of child molestation.

  Wrong. Plenty of people are not overtly for the cause of defending against child molestation. You, on the other hand, have shown yourself to be squarely in the camp of defenders of molesters. You did it by your above-quoted statement and you did it via the links you posted. These links merely say that some accusations of molestation are false -- and this is certainly the case -- but you've used the links to imply that there is no real molestation problem in our society. Again we see the defensive thinking of a molester at work.

  Just what do you think a young girl, molested say, from age 6 through 16, ought to do when she reaches age 20? Forget about it? Somehow pull herself up by her own bootstraps past the massive emotional and perhaps mental damage that was done? That's like asking someone whose legs were cut off by a torturing pervert to just go on with life and forget about it. Obviously you think that perverts should be on the loose instead of being thrown in prison.

  How about the many priests of various religions who were called to task by their victims and who finally admitted in court that they had molested 10 or 100 young children? Obviously you think that these pedophile priests should still be doing their thing. Obviously all these victims were coerced into drumming up false memories with which to accuse your molester buddies. Tsk, tsk, proplog2. You've revealed yourself.

  : In fact not a few in this forum have called me a child molester. What utter stupidity.

  Obviously the words have hit too close to home. But maybe it's not you who is an abuser, but someone very close to you. Maybe you're the facilitator in an unhealthy relationship.

  Whatever, you've simply confirmed what I said in the earlier post:

  For some time now I've thought you were an idiot. Now I know it.

  Obviously you've never spoken in person or on the phone with a sobbing victim, someone perhaps 20 years old who finally worked up enough anger to speak out against the perp. Perhaps you're a molester yourself, since you display their typical lack of human feeling. Whatever you are, proplog2, you're disgusting.

  I stand by my statements.

  AlanF
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  Abaddon

  joelbear; ah, come on. No one is saying that accused people are guilty. Accused people stand trial. That (hopefully) determines guilt. Don't say people are saying something they aren't saying.

  People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...
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  Valentine

  Some links regarding the long term affects of sexual abuse and offender stats by the US Dept of Justice............

  http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Links

  http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats2.htm#Offenders

  Todays Affirmation:
  The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.
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  joelbear

  Okay, here's what I really think as of 7:12 am Jan 30, 2002.

  1. I think the majority of people coming forward to say they were abused are telling the truth. The Post article says 1000 in 6 months. That seems high to me but not unbelievable when you consider that the real population of the living worldwide Witness community is more like 15 to 20 million not 6 million. (counting Dfed, daed, inactive, former, relatives who associated briefly, etc,etc, etc.) Witnesses have basically been a large organization since 1960 or so. Could 1000 molestations have occurred within a population of 20 million people over 40 years? I think its possible yes. I think that number could easily be a multiple of that.

  2. I think the "Silent Lambs" issue is being handled poorly. Bill mixes his issues. He posts anti-Watchtower material that has nothing to do with child abuse. He comes across as someone carrying a grudge. My opinion. Sorry, I keep going back and forth on this one because my conviction isn't clear. But everytime I see him post he comes across as someone who is defending himself and his "righteous cause" and not the victims.

  3. I think in many cases these victims will feel victimized all over again if someone outside the issue is not brought in to insure that their mental and physical health is made paramount, not the destruction of the Watchtower or even the change in policy of the Watchtower. I think there is a clear danger of them feeling "used" all over again.

  4. On a positive note, this process brings to bear the absolute ludicrousness of the judicial committee process especially when it involves criminal acts or situations with legal ramifications. 3 untrained unprofessional men who will clearly hold personal biases cannot possibly render justice in any form or fashion.