Abortion so daughter family doesn't kick her out, her dfed, etc. (page 2)

NewChapter

Well, if you believe the JW teaching, unborn children are not candidates for resurrection. Therefore, according to that teaching, that life is not precious to the god. However, those already born are candidates for resurrection. Therefore, the god values their life 100% more than the life of the unborn. It is only the human women that are expected to care so much about that unborn life they are willing to die for it. Their god has no such interest.

No, I don't believe in any gods, but I think this is a private matter. I think about the people that get very worked up over a stranger's reproductive decisions, and I know that many of them also would deny health coverage to that pregnant woman and the baby, and I wonder about values. Check out the American congress. You will find that the majority that are against choice, are also against health care coverage for all. Most that are pro-choice are also pro-coverage. In that way, I think pro-choicers care a great deal more about human life.

thetrueone

Luo Bou to is correct about god creating miscarriages, its in the OT, but then again god approves of rape, murder and slavery.

I think abortions are an unpleasant but necessary medical procedure given appropriate circumstances.

To use the god of the ancient Israelites (YHWH) as a model for human social morality is a big mistake.

Luo bou to

Just a thought I have been living in China the past three years and I see the devotion and love the Chinese have for their children yet aborion I believe is fairly common So I wonder how much of the guilt I hear from woman who have had abortions back home in Australia can be attributed to ones social values

NewChapter

So I wonder how much of the guilt I hear from woman who have had abortions back home in Australia can be attributed to ones social values

I'm sure most of it. The emotional warfare is strong. praisebush er praisejesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udw4XOZ_HAg

journey-on

How do many of you feel bout abortion? Please also state if you believe in God or not.
I do believe in the Divine creator, but not the skydaddy kind of God that takes names and kicks butt.
I despise abortion, but it's not religiously based. I think it became law only because of the climate of the times...."if it feels good, do it". The women's movement was growing stronger and stronger, and women wanted to feel empowered to reach for the sky unencumbered by unplanned children. They needed justification to terminate an unwanted pregnancy child.
Our country was in an extreme transition period, some of it necessary and good, but some of the resulting consequences were not so good. I know very well all the "social" arguments for abortion. I know very well the arguments that the life begun is nothing but a bunch of cells. None of them, imo, justify it.
But, in the end, she has to live with her decision. Tell her to read as much as she can the firsthand experiences from women who talked themselves into an abortion and lived to deeply regret it. Some women are able to justify it with a clear conscious and never bat an eye. She may be one of those. Choices have consequences. She has another choice to make, but in the end, it is hers to make.

NewChapter

The women's movement was growing stronger and stronger, and women wanted to feel empowered to reach for the sky unencumbered by unplanned children

I respectfully ask, is this a bad thing? Should women not reach for the sky? Is that part of the terrible "if it feels good do it" culture that women should reach for something more? Do men figure in this at all???? We never hear about men choosing abortion so that they can attain their dreams. Yet, many men are actually involved in the abortion decision. Some women do regret having abortions, but some women regret having children. That's not to say they don't love their children, but there is a big difference between a child you know and love, and somthing simply forming. It's not all one way.

yourmomma

I mean, if you think she wants the baby, but is thinking of aborting it to avoid getting DFd, then yeah, i see no problem talking to her or helping her. however if she feels an abortion is right for her, i dont think anyone has any buisness talking her out of it just because they think abortion is wrong.

I would also say, if a person has just found out they are pregnant and thought long and hard to have an abortion right away, that is WAAAAAY better than waiting and having a late term abortion, etc.

You would hate to have a person who truly wanted an abortion but waited cause people are talking her out of it, to then change her mind and go through with what she was going to do in the first place and have to have a late term one.

im not a fan of abortion, and i would likely not have one, but i dont think you can just take peoples rights away and ban all abotions.

cetainly rules could be made, like you have to make the choice within 30 days of finding out your pregnant, and banning late term abortions, etc. (Of course emerhancy situations should be allowed)

isnt there a way to strike a balance between the one side that says no abortions ever, and the other side that says abortions whenever?

guess not

brotherdan

Obviously, most of you know that I believe in God. And I have been in some pretty heated pro-life/pro-choice debates.

My stand on this is that each situation is different. There are an impossible number of factors to consider. Some basic ones are:

1. How old is the fetus

2. Was the baby a consequence of sexual assult

3. Is the baby life threatening to the mother

4. Why can she not carry it to term and then go the adoption route

Most of us need to stay out of it and let the mother choose. I don't support abortion in MOST situations. I think that in most situations the adoption route is the one to take. But I've gotten to the point where I realize,it is not my business (as MrsJones so eloquently put it).

out4good3

Making the procedure illegal is not going to stop women who want them from doing it. The procedure will only be moved back into the shadows. the poor will have to skulk around to get the procedure done should they want it, while the rich just fly to another country where it is out of the business of nosy american busybodies who feel they can impose their conscious and instill guilt and shame.

In Texas, there is a law about to be passed that forces a woman to have a sonogram before under going the procedure. The re-thug-lican Rick Perry right is trying to pass this off as being a matter of making sure the women are fully informed. Idiots!! What woman choosing to go through this procedure don't know that she is pregnant? It's nothing but a lame attempt to heap even more guilt upon the person choosing to make such a gut wrenching decision. the more hoops you have to go through, the less likely you are to carry out what should be a completely private decision affecting their reproductive process.

out4good3

Most of us need to stay out of it and let the mother choose.

An interesting statement. Tell us, who do you think should be amongst those select few who should have a say in the matter?

Abortion so daughter family doesn't kick her out, her dfed, etc.

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