And so it begins... (page 2)

stan livedeath

but first, could you loan me $5000?

ha ha--you beat me to it BoC

If pressed by MIL, other jw family or an Elder you should cite the Pedophile issue as something that has stumbled you greatly. Stay with that because it is a growing issue and you would be in the right.

From not reporting it to the authorities, to postponing acting on it while waiting for the Society to tell the Elders what to do. To applying the two witness rule. To not informing the congregation that they have a pedophile in their midst to having pedophiles out in FS.

The cases you have read show pedophiles to be repeat offenders. Being a JW does not mean that they can control themselves.

You just can't be a part of that until the Society has settled the court cases and put in place a safety net for the innocent children.

.......a part from being told to wait on Jah there is nothing they can say.

Be sure to mention that Elders are now being sued for damages.

Tenacious

Elder: "We need to talk."

StarTrekAngel: "I know! I know! Man what a game!! I really thought Wisconsin had it in the bag! What a game!!

Tempest in a Teacup

.......a part from being told to wait on Jah there is nothing they can say.

They'll again blame it on the ever so convenient " human imperfection" and tell him that that is why Jah said he was going to start the cleaning from his house .

but first, could you loan me $5000?

LOL

stuckinarut2

Elders: "we need to talk"

You: "Sure, happy to grab a coffee or beer anytime"

Show that you are a happy, positive, content person in your own right.

If they start to talk about issues you don't want to be drawn into, just politely say: "oh, now we are enjoying a drink together...why have you changed the topic to something so deep and meaningful" Why are you speaking so condescendingly to me friend?"

You: "anyway, so hows the family? How about that game the other night"

etc...

Take control of the situation!. Make them feel awkward!

Elders feel they have the right to be in control and determine the direction of a conversation. Show them that they do not have that right! You do!

Oubliette

Elder, "So why haven't you been at the meetings for the last __________?"

You, "Oh, there are a lot of reasons, good ones. Trust me on that!"

You, "Why did it take you so long to call me? Is the CO in town?"

Elder, ignoring the obvious barb, "Do you still believe that this is Jehovah's Organization?"

You, "Why would you ask me that? Do YOU have doubts? It sounds like you're projecting your doubts on me. Have you told your fellow elders about this?"

Elder, "No, I don't have any doubts."

You, "Really? None at all?"

Elder, smugly, "That's right, none at all!"

You, "Really? Then I question your intelligence or your honesty."

Elder, indignant, "That's rude of you to say!"

You, "You think so? You come over here. You haven't made any attempts to contact me in _______ months/years, but within two minutes you're questioning my loyalty and my integrity. You're the rude one here!"

Elder, heated, "You can't talk to me that way!"

You, "Sure I can. I learned it from you."

Elder, "I'm leaving."

You, "Great idea. Come back when you've worked on your social skills a bit. "

PokerPlayerPhil

I wish I had the power of the Q because they have been calling me for my time too. This is my first Memorial I missed and life did not end like I thought it might. Remember when Q brought Picard's ship within the Borg's sector of the Universe to shake Picard's arrogance or Hubris up and Picard appreciated it even though this speed up the process of the Borg approaching the United Federation of Planets.

We are now like Picard and by not turning in our Field Report it's attracting the attention of the Borg bringing them closer to our personal freedom. Can anyone help us with next step in avoiding attracting the Borg invasion of our space? Please advise because I am in your situation too!

If I had the Q's power, the collective power, I could wish them away and put them on some deserted planet where they all could experience the true lack of love of JWs, let them serve the Governing Body while they sit on their ass like Mormons tried with Collectivism in the 1800s, that failed badly as young and hard working members got sick of turning in all their hard work and sharing with Mormons who did not work or care,just takers!

Hoffnung

just tell them you have nothing to report, sorry.

Then they might impress on you the importance of preaching, and you go yes, I understand it, but it is not easy, my heart is not with it, I don't feel the same good vibes like I used to. Then he request you for an appointment, and you agree on next Saturday. On Friday night, you call him to say something has come up (no details its none of his business) . You do this 2 times in a row and he gives up. If you cancel a couple of appointments, the will stop.

DesirousOfChange

SEARCHER: I you want to fade relatively painlessly, don't raise any red flags of disagreement about anything the Org says or does. First, thank them, then make it clear that your reasons are private & personal, and that you are dealing with it! You'll call if things change!

Good advice from Searcher.

STFU! and just say "Thanks".

If pressed, say there are private issues and you know Jehovah will fix them. You are just patiently "waiting on Jehovah".

Doc

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Elder asked me to turn in my FS report this past week and then he added... "we need to talk"

As I was decreasing my activity before I faded, I had to put up with some "talks" from "brothers". Here's a link to a thread I started about how I got several dubs to start avoiding such conversations with me.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/254990/exjw-psychology-102-how-ask-question-when-questions-arent-allowed

And so it begins...