Some Questions About Jesus (page 3)

Jonathan Drake

I don't think Jesus of the bible ever lived.

I think Jesus was a very popular name, so there were many many Jeezai But no Biblical Jesus.

Viviane

Babylonian Talmud 43a

That doesn't describe the Jesus of the Bible.

Sanhedrin 107b

Sanhedrin 107b has this to say of Jesus, "Sanhedrin 107[70] tells of a Jesus ("Yeshu") "offended his teacher by paying too much attention to the inn-keeper's wife. Jesus wished to be forgiven, but [his rabbi] was too slow to forgive him, and Jesus in despair went away and put up a brick [idol] and worshipped it.""

Jesus leering at an innkeepers wife and then practicing idolatry? You sure that's the Jesus of the Bible?

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

That's talking about an earthquake and eclipse, not Jesus.

In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame:

Talking about Christians, not Jesus.

Mara Bar-Serapion

He never mentioned Jesus.

Lucian was a Greek satirist who spoke sarcastically of Christ and Christians

Mocking Christians...not talking about Jesus.

Josephus writes about Jesus in his “the Antiquities of the Jews” in 93AD.

That is know to have been at LEAST altered and only MAY have been an actual expansion of something he could have actually written.

Phizzy

"That is know to have been at LEAST altered and only MAY have been an actual expansion of something he could have actually written."

Also the oldest manuscript we have for Josephus is 10th century, how reliable is that, a copy of a myriad copies ?

As with the Gospels, we simply cannot know what was originally written.

The search for the Historical Jesus continues,and he is as elusive as ever.

Heaven

Why didn't Jesus write anything?

1) He was unable to.

2) He did not care to.

3) He did not exist.

There were a lot of messiahs in existence during that time. If Jesus did exist, I suspect most people thought he was a crack pot.

EndofMysteries

That doesn't describe the Jesus of the Bible.

The Babylonian Talmud 43a IS talking about the Jesus of the bible. Remember the Pharasees accused him of in Matt 12:24-27?

Same for 107b, these sources are showing how those who killed Jesus viewed him. Now what you must ask yourself is why aren't they denying such a man ever existed? They are describing him in them exactly as portrayed how they thought of him in the bible, as evil, sorcery, etc.

Here are more...

Jesus as a sorcerer with disciples (b Sanh 43a-b)
Healing in the name of Jesus (Hul 2:22f; AZ 2:22/12; y Shab 124:4/13; QohR 1:8; b AZ 27b)
As a torah teacher (b AZ 17a; Hul 2:24; QohR 1:8)
As a son or disciple that turned out badly (Sanh 103a/b; Ber 17b)
As a frivolous disciple who practiced magic and turned to idolatry (Sanh 107b; Sot 47a)
Jesus' punishment in afterlife (b Git 56b, 57a)
Jesus' execution (b Sanh 43a-b)
Jesus as the son of Mary (Shab 104b, Sanh 67a)

EndofMysteries

That's talking about an earthquake and eclipse, not Jesus.

That's in support of the great earthquake and darkening of sun when Jesus died.The fact that Thallus mentions the darkness tells us that something did happen, and that is an extrabiblical citation for the event. If I recall correctly it's been researched and there was no eclipse around that time which would mean something else happened.

EndofMysteries

Talking about Christians, not Jesus.

Had you read the whole part instead of glance the first 2 sentences and reply, you would have read this part that IS talking about Jesus and it's a Roman confirming that Pontius Pilatus did to Jesus,

"Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

Giordano

Perhaps they were simply trying to undermine a fast growing cult that was based on a man who may or may not have existed.

What really matters is, if he existed, what did he really say.........and that has been lost to mankind, altered, added to or deleted in just a few years after his death.

The confusion we have through the proliferation of thousands of Christian churches is the inability to resist private interpretations.

TTWSYF

It is as unlikely as anything else for a man to claim to be God..... [sorry, but Jesus not only claimed to be God,but he also never disputed anyone else's claim either] ,,,,that aside.

I have to think that a myth would have been weeded out during the first torture sessions.

Instead, 2000 years later people are still believing that a man claiming to be God died for the forgiveness of our sins. Right this second there are Christians being killed for worshiping Jesus.

How is this belief still alive I ponder aloud.

just pondering

EndofMysteries

Mara Bar-Serapion
He never mentioned Jesus.

Really? Which of the jews wise king did they murder then?

What did the sign post on Jesus cross say? John 19:19 if you forgot.

Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.

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