Some Questions About Jesus

by Coded Logic 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Viviane

  Off to an Easter party now, I'll get back to this tomorrow. Good debate though.

  It's not a debate! You've made a lot of claims that don't hold up under even minimal scrutiny.

  Have fun at your party!
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  cofty

  Thanks for the research Viv.

  Extra-biblical testimony to Jesus is a lie that christians keep telling each other.
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  Viviane

  Thanks for the research Viv.
  Extra-biblical testimony to Jesus is a lie that christians keep telling each other.

  Thanks Cofty. So it would appear.
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  Coded Logic

  EndofMysteries,

  
  

  I posed the question, "Why don't we have a single first hand account of Jesus?"

  
  

  To which you cited a whole list of people who weren't even born yet when Jesus died and a bunch of writings that were written decades after Jesus died. THESE ARE NOT FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS!

  Sorry for the caps, but I don't know why it's so difficult for you to understand what a firsthand account is. It's someone who actually met Jesus. NOT someone who NEVER met Jesus.

  According to the scriptures, Jesus met with the High Priest, Pontius Pilate, and Herod Antipater. This would be like meeting the Pope, the Secretary of Defense, and the President of the United States. The Jesus described in the Bible is someone who was well known and had great influence.

  That we don't have a single writing to him, from him, or about him from a contemporary of his time shows no such prominent man existed. And the contradictions in his date of birth (by no less than ten years!) and not a single record about his execution - is highly, highly suspect.

  
  

  Christianity isn't a product of Jesus. Jesus is a product of Christianity.
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  Finkelstein

  Is Jesus a man turned legend? Or just a myth all together?

  If Jesus was really the Messiah who brought about a Messianic age as foretold in their own theological expressions prior to his existence, why didn't the most ardent Orthodox Jews ever see him as such ?, they just perceived as a prophetic Rabbi.
  
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  Finkelstein

  I find it hard to believe based from all the miracles Jesus supposedly performed , that the rest of the fellow Hebrews thought of him only as a mere mortal man, who may have perhaps preached about the coming Messianic age so much that listeners began to the think of himself as the true Messiah. ........ ummmm ???

  I dont know about anyone else but if I saw a man raise someone from the dead, walk on water, heal a man born blind, change rocks into bread and water into wine, I would think he just wasn't a mortal man, I would assume him to be quite unique and distinctively special ???

  Of course I'm just theorizing
  
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  yodastar

  The theory of big J escaping to Japan makes more sense to me. You would think that in the story since he was the saviour you would think the bigger J would have at least made sure that there was some irrefutable evidence but no... we would just have to believe and have faith, yawn
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  HowTheBibleWasCreated

  There is no evidence for John the Baptist ... nevermind Jesus. Josephus referances to John are now regarded as spurious and they dispute the preceeding paragraphs.
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  HowTheBibleWasCreated

  Tacitus is not a good source. He writes after John and likely Mark was already written...
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  cyberjesus

  For the same reason that Hercules didnt write anything either.