Are ALL religious ideas TRUE?

by brotherdan 68 Replies latest jw experiences

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  SweetBabyCheezits

  SBC: Why can't a Muslim take the same view of the Quran as you take of the Old Testament?

  BD: Show me a source that says that Muslims view the Koran as history and that they don't have to follow the commands of Mohammad today.

  You've added some qualifiers that obscure the crux of my question. My question was based on the PRINCIPLE that the violent verses would be ignored while the peaceful verses would be practiced.

  Danabug: The fact that I know muslims who don't beat their wives or kill infidels is proof.

  BD: That is not proof.

  Christians - rejecting proof since the first century!

  Again, please see the original question I posed. The proof that Danabug offers is a personally known example of Muslims who do not take a fundamentalist view of the Quran but apply the verses that support a peaceful perspective. Therefore, in principle, he or she takes a similar view of the Quran as you take of the Old Testament - ignoring the violent stuff and applying the loving stuff. Peace, harmony, all that shit.
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  PSacramento

  The OT is far too much like the Quran but that is not hard to understand since it (The Quran) was based mostly on the OT laws.
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  SweetBabyCheezits

  True. Give it time and perhaps Islam will develop the civilized bigotry that has become the hallmark of fundamentalist Christianity today.
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  PSacramento

  True. Give it time and perhaps Islam will develop the civilized bigotry that has become the hallmark of fundamentalist Christianity today.

  LMAO !

  Hope springs eternal !
  ;)
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  yourmomma

  SBC, you mean like "I dont judge and I believe in equal rights, but marriage is only between a man and a women" or "I dont judge, but God didnt destroy Soddom and Gehmorah for no reason"

  Those are 2 things I recently read in a discussion (not here) about gay people from Christians.
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  PSacramento

  Those are 2 things I recently read in a discussion (not here) about gay people from Christians.

  SOME Christians you mean, right?
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  yourmomma

  yes, SOME, absolutly. not all.

  as i went back and read this i thought, could I accuratly say most?

  My anacdotal evidence which is personal expierence has been most.

  but i realize that does not have a ton of weight.
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  PSacramento

  Anecdotal evidence is fine, it is just one type and isn't proof, but it is evidence.

  I have to be honest, if I hadn't of had contact with atheist before I came to this forum I probably would have though that atheist are all angry, mean spirited, close minded, rude, crude and arrogant.

  No offense to all those atheist here whom I consider "internet friends" :)

  Fact is, we tend to judge based on what we are exposed to, the sum of our experiences and if we are exposed to assholes as examples of Christianity then we are quite "correct" in believing that Christians are assholes, correct based onour experience, not based on what Christianity IS.

  I submit to you that assholes in christianity is an example of NOT ENOUGH Christ, not TOO much Christ.
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  ProdigalSon

  There isn't much in the Bible that is original and cannot be traced to or shown to be along the same lines of thought as older writings. Why then, is it treated as something special, or worse, an an idol?

  All the major religions had their origins in "truth". Each and every one of them has an esoteric and an exoteric doctrine. The initiates and sometimes even the priesthood get the good stuff while the goyim are fed the nonsense. The illustrations are literalized and they completely lose their meaning and informational value. At the base of every major religion is the truth of the sun, moon and stars and their influence on our affairs. The truth of the male and female energies and their influence on our affairs. The truth of "do unto others" that has already been pointed out.

  Jesus said the whole law could be summed up in the first two commandments. After that, you can throw everything else out, none of it matters, and he is in agreement with everyone else. The religions have much more in common than we have been led to believe.
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  yourmomma

  PSacramento, I agree with you.

  I consider myself Christian I guess, however I dont belong to a church, nor feel the need.

  However as I read forums, etc and I see what people who claim to be Christian write, I find that very few of them think like me.

  For example I dont believe its right to judge gay people, I think being gay is NOT a choice, I believe gay people should have the same rights as everyone else.

  I also dont believe that out of all the people ever on the earth only Christians are acceptable to God.

  Perhaps I am not really a Christian? I ask that seriously.

  But I would like to ask you, since you seem to be one of the most balanced and reasonable Christians on these forums, do you belong to a church? And if so, are there people who think the same as you? I found that almost none do as far as my views on gays, abortion, etc, but again, I have anecdotal which is not enough to make a ruling.