The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade 382 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • garyneal
    garyneal
    It just doesn't fly anymore, and soon they will drop 1914 like a schoolcase.

    According to Raymond Franz, they previously tried to drop that date in favor of 1957, the year that Sputnik was launched. One can only imagine the lunacy that would come out of the WT today if that new light was allowed.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    OK, what EXACTLY is on page 29 of Parker and Dubberstein?

    Can window washers afford a whole $12 to find out?

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    P&D, p. 29 - HERE! Rivetting stuff. As you can see, there is absolutely nothing there to help determine when in Cyrus' first year any decree was made LOL! And as you'll all notice, the 'seventh month' of 537 BCE, when the WT claims the Jews were settled in their cities, falls in Cyrus' second regnal year.

    P&D, p.29

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Yeah, just as I thought.

    Now review what Spade said: "[T]he information source for 537 as the date which Cyrus the Great decreed that the Israelites could return to Judea came from the Bible and Brown University Studies, Vol. XIX, Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C.-A.D. 75, (1956) Parker and Dubberstein".

    The information source says nothing of the sort.

  • VM44
    VM44

    Thank you for posting page 29.

    The original source that referenced "page 29" in Parker and Dubberstein was an 1968 article published in The Watchtower (see below).

    I do not see why The Watchtower gave the specific page number reference.

    w68 8/15 pp. 493-494 par. 23 The Book of Truthful Historical Dates

    He issued the famous edict permitting the Jews to return and rebuild Jehovah’s temple, copies of which were written and circulated throughout the realm. This allowed sufficient time for the Jews to resettle in their homeland, ‘establish the altar firmly upon its own site,’ and “from the first day of the seventh month” start offering up burnt sacrifices to Jehovah. This date, the “first day of the seventh month,” according to the best astronomical tables available (Brown University Studies, Vol. XIX, Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C.—A.D. 75, (1956) Parker and Dubberstein, p. 29), is calculated to be October 5 (Julian) or September 29 (Gregorian) 537 B.C.E.—Ezra 1:1-4; 3:1-6.

  • TD
    TD

    It's ironic that poor Spade/Alice, who denies the JW practice of deliberately giving a false impression through ambiguity was taken in by it.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Spade needs to find a New York Phone book..

    New York has a 607 Area Code..

    ..........................

    Moses talks to the Israelites..

    "Once we cross the Red Sea..We`re going to New York."

    "New York has a 607 Area Code!"

    http://www.searchviews.com/wp-content/themes/clean-copy-full-3-column-1/images/plague-moses-2.jpg

    ........................ ...OUTLAW

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    I think it's abandoned this thread, so expect to see it use the same reference next time this topic comes up.

  • Mary
  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    One wonders why someone would cite a source that THEY THEMSELVES have not verififed if it was correct or not.

    Then one realizes that the someone is a JW and all is clear.

    Spankings like this are hard to read sometimes, just because I know that Spade just doesn't WANT to get it.

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