Ash, Heaven, Roybatty, I really don't care about being df'd because I don't have any family I am close that is in. My family are not witnesses, and my in-laws, are all JW perverts not talking to us anyway. I haven't been to a meeting since 1998, and my kids want no part of it either. I just was so angry that the one elder who was on the other fun as the "2nd witness" was a long time friend and knows the whole history of our family. We have always been so kind and hospitable to all of them and to be de-humanized in thier eyes as if we were such wicked people because our bodies are not at the KH was so annoying. We took no shit from them. My husband told them he had nothing to say and would not meet with them unless our lawyers were present. I got on the phone and told the one elder, and you know him Ash, that how can he dare have the audacity to call us up and try to entrap my husband, by not telling him right away that the other elder was on the phone for several minutes before letting him know. I said how can you dare accuse us of anything when I know for a fact that your own son is openly sleeping with an older women, and also doing the drug ecstacy. He never said one word after that. Then I told them how can they be after us when you are all losing your kids to drugs and alcohol and are all sexually active, but because they are your kids they have "elder immunity". I said they come and go in and out of the KH and everyone including you know what they are doing and yet because they go to a meeting once in a while it is ok to talk to them and and yet you are coming after us? Still not one word. Then I said to them you should be ashamed of yourselves for the way you have acted. We were never anything but kind and better friends to you than you ever were to us. You came to our daughter's wedding, ate drank, and yet shunned us, and we never heard from you after. It is you who should be ashamed. My husband and I are good people and all we want is to be left alone. Then I said if they should dare to make any announcement whatsoever that slanders our good name on the public platform, be assured we will personally sue you. I said I know that you don't want this and Watchtower we leave you out to dry on your own, and it will be you having to hire your own defense lawyer. Still no word. Than I said to the one friend elder that it was they not us who chose to abandon us and shun us. We have and alway will be the kind of people that would never turn our friends away if they ever needed us. We are happy and enjoying the peace in our life right now,and all we want is just to be left alone. That you better really think seriously about this because if you make any public announcement that implies to anyone we are bad people we will not sue the WT we will sue you indiviually and the congregation for slandering our good name. Then my husband told them we have no more to say and would like to end our conversation and they said ok and that was it. Our older son was livid and we found out today he called one of them up and said some things to the elder who had been so close to us. He told them if they choose to make any announcement about his parents, they would have to do the whole family because we are all united in this. Said some things but was very calm and respectful but firm in his resolve. The elder tried to tell him we just called your parents up to encourage them to come to a meeting. My son said comon you know me better than that, I have been in Bethel and have been in the Org. long enough to know the phone call was a judicial call that was why the 2 witness thing. And why now after all these years suddenly now to "encourage" them. Where were you during the Court case, for my parents. They are finally enjoying the peace in their lives and are happy after all those years of fighting you and suffering standing up to the WT Society. Then he said if you were going after them to ask if they celebrated Christmas why now 6 weeks or so after claiming you saw lights on the house. Then the elder asked him if we did. My son said I won't comment on that, but if you believe that, then you should take the same attitude the elders always gave my parents and the other victims when protecting child molesters, the famous line well we won't df we will wait on Jehovah to judge the pedophiles. The elder and my son ended the conversation with my son just telling him to leave his parents alone and they just want Jehovah's Witnesses to leave them alone now. No more phone calls. So that was that, and I am tired of typing so bye all