looky looky - A 'real' J-dub forum! (are they becoming normal???)

by Reality79 164 Replies latest jw friends

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Magwitch, since some active JWs lurk on this website, it might be a good idea to PM a few of the known active JW faders on-board for the answers...

    I suspect that RayPublisher might be able to provide you with the correct answers.

    If you DO get on that website, could you please just let us know that you're on it, and then - THEN - we can PM you and get PM updates.

    I'm suggesting that this all stay "behind-the-scenes", because of the extreme levels of "security" used on that site - plus, do you remember when Simon hollered at some of us who were going over to the Facebook "JW C@fe" and posting there, then copying their comments and posting them on here???

    I think he may have been concerned about possible lawsuit issues...???

    Just sayin'...

    Zid

  • Krettnawe
    Krettnawe

    Realize of course that many ex-JW online have formed thier own cult and have created thier own set of conditions that you must meet in order to be a part of thier "club"..

    Really?? Because I've been on exJW boards for 10 years and I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Care to elaborate?

    If one doesnt tow the anti-JW line, or is percieved as saying something postive about JW then they are attacked. Look right here on this thread and see the response given to RAYPUBLISHER for calling people out on thier shady behavior.

    Look at the way the posters over here speak in a condescending voice about the JW's on another site, and the plan being hatched to inflitrate it and unknowinlgy post people's comments on this site for the entertainment value and nothing more.

    Is that behavior acceptable? No

    But is it justified....? You bet!

    Why? Because the JW's are being targeted.

    I have been online for over five years and have observed that many (not all) ex-JW's who are still caught up in the bitter phase of leaving JW's behind are just as conditional, just as dogmatic, and just as judgemental as the JW's they left.

  • Krettnawe
    Krettnawe

    What consequences? An apologist rant for the WTBS? For God? Puhleeeease.

    One of the more amusing discussions over there now is a circle jerk session about how no one knows what gravity is or how it works and thank YHWH for making it perfect just the way it was and Isaac Newton, who, according to them, is well known to be close to the "Truth" came the closest to figuring it out.

    Guess they never looked at a high school physics book written in, oh, the last hundred years or so or never heard of Einstein.

    Condescension

    I'd pick out the worst, most sanctimonious elder - or elder's wife - or pioneer - in the congregation. Especially one who denigrates the internet, decries Facebook, and so on...

    Then I'd use that person's name to get onto that website...

    Dishonesty and possibly damaging to another's reputation

    I'm suggesting that this all stay "behind-the-scenes", because of the extreme levels of "security" used on that site - plus, do you remember when Simon hollered at some of us who were going over to the Facebook "JW C@fe" and posting there, then copying their comments and posting them on here???

    I think he may have been concerned about possible lawsuit issues...???

    Just sayin'...

    Condescension and dishonesty!

    Sorry guys, but how can you people behave this way, speak this way, and justify that?

    I already know the answer.....

    Two words

    Jehovah's Witnesses

  • Reality79
    Reality79

    You know, I always find it interesting when you get active, faithful JWs who post on forums pretending to be dissidents and taking pot shots at ex-JWs. Anyway, continue......

  • Krettnawe
    Krettnawe

    I am not an active JW, have chosen to leave them for many reasons.

    But I also realize that I dont have the right to treat people like they are below me, nor justify juvenile behavior just because I disagree with JW's about thier interpretations. They are still people just like you.

    Already, I am not towing the anti-JW line and already I am being accused of being a JW.

    Which brings us back to the point I made earlier.

    Realize of course that many ex-JW online have formed thier own cult and have created thier own set of conditions that you must meet in order to be a part of thier "club"..

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Hello there Krett,

    JW's are people, but no way do they have normal lives

    livin' in a bubble is not normal, how can people be the

    happiest people on earth while preachin' doom and gloom

    and scarin' the shit out of kids on a daily basis, with pics

    of destruction. That ain't good news, that's mental abuse

  • tec
    tec

    Well, I understand exactly what Krettnawe is saying.

    If you left and say you're better then those who are in, then be better. Don't act the same way, just on different issues. It is not true of every ex-jw, but it is true of some... at least for a time. But as hurt and anger fade, peace replaces those negative emotions (hopefully) and the way a person acts reflects that instead.

    Tammy

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    But I also realize that I dont have the right to treat people like they are below me, nor justify juvenile behavior just because I disagree with JW's about thier interpretations.

    Sure you do. If someone is willfully ignorant and prideful of that ignorance and yet claiming to be smart and the best kind of person, then if they get treated like dog poop they have willfull brought it on themselves.

    And don't play the interpretations game. They are just wrong on that, it's the willful ignorant and cult behavior that is destructive and for that they deserve ridicule and pity if they won't open their eyes.

    And the answer to the justification isn't "Jehovah's Witnesses", it's "dangerous high control cult".

    They are still people just like you.

    No, no they aren't. I am not willfully ignorant and proud of it.They are.

    And yes, that WAS condescension before. Well deserved condescension, I might add. Pride, ignorance, control, emotional damage, lies, finger pointing....all add up to check boxes in the "Do They Deserve It" column.

    If this was my well deserved consequences you threatened, I am sorely disappointed.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Cretin - er, Krettnawe - shows up again... And the judging starts...

    "Look at the way the posters over here speak in a condescending voice about the JW's on another site, and the plan being hatched to inflitrate it and unknowinlgy post people's comments on this site for the entertainment value and nothing more.
    Is that behavior acceptable? No...

    Condescension

    Dishonesty and possibly damaging to another's reputation

    Condescension and dishonesty!
    Sorry guys, but how can you people behave this way, speak this way, and justify that?"

    Well, other than the fact that they're in a cult, tend to deliberately deny that fact, willingly go along with the emotional trauma that the Watchtower Society demands they inflict upon all dissenters, even if they are members of their own families, endanger the lives of their children by denying needed medical procedures at critical times, and follow the lead of a group of old men who admittedly don't speak/read or write any of the original languages that the bible was written in, yet claim to be the "special" and ONLY pipeline from 'god' - that Bronze-Age Middle-Eastern male volcano god, to be specific....

    Cretinnow, you keep mistaking me for a person who believes that a 4,000-year-old book written by Bronze-Age Middle-Eastern men with a primitive, ignorant, superstitious way of life, would have any significance for me...

    Let me spell it out for you...

    The contradictory and hypocritical behaviors and edicts laid out in that Middle-Eastern males' book caused me to do some actual R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H on the origins of the bible and of religion in general...

    Discovering that the bible is merely the latest in a LONG line of religions, starting wth predominantly GODDESS-worshipping religions dating back over TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS AGO, caused me to realize that I did not want to be ruled by the edicts of ignorant Middle-Eastern men...

    Having clarified that, I realized that atheism was the only logical response, but I have retained an interest in the older - the very oldest - forms of worship practiced by humanity.

    I have absolutely no interest in following biblical edicts...

    Have I stated that clearly enough for you now, Cretinnow???

  • Krettnawe
    Krettnawe

    Well, other than the fact that they're in a cult,

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    They have cultic tendencies, but I wouldnt consider them any more cultish than any other tight-knitted, xenophobic, dogmatic "club" that doesnt allow for disagreement. The thing is....alot of ex-JW's show those same tendencies. The difference is that they dont have the organization or the infrastructure to push thier dogma, but if they did.....

    tend to deliberately deny that fact, willingly go along with the emotional trauma that the Watchtower Society demands they inflict upon all dissenters,

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    Emotional trauma for leaving a group that you dont want to be part of? Family issues, and family shunnings happen all the time to all kinds of people, all over the world, for various reasons. Surely you dont imagine that it is the JW religion alone that causes family strife.

    who even if they are members of their own families, endanger the lives of their children by denying needed medical procedures at critical times,

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    I personally dont agree with the Blood policy, but I also recognize the right of people to choose the medical treatment they want without someone else pushing thier values on them. You would be an example of that "someone"...

    and follow the lead of a group of old men who admittedly don't speak/read or write any of the original languages that the bible was written in,

    REPLY

    And......They borrowed different translations that they felt best conveyed the Bible under thier specific interpretation. Do you speak the orginal languages? When you see people discussing the validity of the NWT do you have enough expertise to determine what is correct and what is incorrect? I bet not. Your "views" are borrowed from a multitude of anti-JW websites that have done the research for you, so you can pretend you know more now than the JW's. But, in the end, you know no more orignal language than they did, and you borowwed your thoughts from others....What's the difference?

    yet claim to be the "special" and ONLY pipeline from 'god'

    REPLY

    Every BORN AGAIN Christian makes the same claim that the WTS claims. They dont claim inspiration, they claim direction. We have people here who will tell you Jesus indwells within them, and leads them. What are the reasons why these two set of groups, who make the same claim, are somehow evaluated under different terms?

    - that Bronze-Age Middle-Eastern male volcano god, to be specific....

    REPLY

    Oh look, an athiestic, angry, feminist...How original..

    Cretinnow,

    REPLY

    Isnt that cute, you made a funny out of my name..Very grown up..

    you keep mistaking me for a person who believes that a 4,000-year-old book written by Bronze-Age Middle-Eastern men with a primitive, ignorant, superstitious way of life, would have any significance for me...

    REPLY

    Actually I mistook you for someone who holds themselves, and others accountable for behavior that is hypocritical, condescending, and counter-productive to your cause. Your still trying to prove something to someone at this point, so you havent developed the wisdom to see how the aformentioned behaviors sabatoge what you are trying to accomplish. Maybe one day...

    Let me spell it out for you...

    REPLY

    Arrogance wrapped up in a bouquet of condescencion....Clearly you are someone who we should all strive to be like. Thank you for taking the time to shine your enlightment on me....

    The contradictory and hypocritical behaviors and edicts laid out in that Middle-Eastern males' book caused me to do some actual R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H on the origins of the bible and of religion in general...

    REPLY

    Oh good, I am glad you took the time to spell out research. I have never heard of this , what is the word, re, ressss, resear....research...

    That is a good idea, you ought to spell it out for others who arent as enlightened as an enlightened, angry athiestic, feminist.

    Discovering that the bible is merely the latest in a LONG line of religions, starting wth predominantly GODDESS-worshipping religions dating back over TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS AGO, caused me to realize that I did not want to be ruled by the edicts of ignorant Middle-Eastern men...

    REPLY

    Are you sure it is only Middle Eastern men you have issues with?

    Maybe you ought to find a GODDESS, or declare yourself one, start a a religion, and push your extreme idealogy at others who arent as enlightened and smart as you.

    Having clarified that, I realized that atheism was the only logical response,

    REPLY

    It is one logical response. And I dont remember asking about your Athiesm because I dont care. Just cant wait to share your enlightment huh? I admire your enthusiasm for egocentrism...

    It does make it easier to moralize certain behaviors that some might not do because they realize they might be accountable to someone. But your accountable to yourself and yourself only! That is what a strong woman of the 21 Century should do! Be just like you!

    but I have retained an interest in the older - the very oldest - forms of worship practiced by humanity.

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    That almost sounds like a teaser.....Are you planning on going back to Middle Earth to practice them, and learn to speak in Elvish..??

    I have absolutely no interest in following biblical edicts...

    Have I stated that clearly enough for you now, Cretinnow???

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    NO interest but your on a religious debate board...You really cant smell that irony...?

    Actually no, I dont think you stated it clearly enough. Maybe if you spell each word out, with single letters and dashes, I will be able to achieve some sort of understanding, no matter how miniscule, into the enlightened existence that is you....

    I want to be as happy as you sound......

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