May 15th WT - Wives Should be Obedient, Submissive & Not Disagree (page 2)

Room 215

For everyone in this organization it's "sit down and SHUT UP!" only more so for the women!

Hey flipper just wokeup to this article of nonsense. The last time I did Temp work at Brooklyn 2005 all I remember is how the women treated their husbands in the cafeteria during breakfast and lunch. The men were lord and women was the slaves. I actually saw first hand were the Stepford Wives live. It was scary. The brother I went up with was kind of new in the WT he was on his thrid marriage this time a sister. And he thought this is the way wives should treat their husbands. That went over like a lead balloon. I finally had to sit down with them and ended up siding with his wife. I told him what he saw in NY is far from reality in the real world. I told him he needs to treat his wife with love and kindness and respect not demands. I sometimes wonder how many of those women up there feel trap and see no way out. If any of you have not seen the Stepford Wives get the movie and watch it then you will understand what it is like to be a female in WT land. Totally ADD

blondie

This church twisted the Bible to make abuse divine.

Mike Nichols: Aleitheia Bible Church kids need a way out

MIKE NICHOLS | syndicated columnist | Posted: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 11:15 am

Most 2-month-old babies weigh no more than seven or eight pounds. Kids that age can’t walk or talk or do much of anything other than babble or cry or hope that the adults around them will have the good sense to feed or change or comfort them.

One of those adults in Black Earth, 53-year-old Philip Caminiti, believes children that age — if they are fussy for no good reason — should be punished by being hit with a rod, according to a criminal complaint filed recently in Dane County.

Caminiti — a father of nine who is also the pastor of the Aleitheia Bible Church — is far from alone in this belief. Members of his church, according to the Dane County Sheriff’s Office, are quite open about their “spare the rod, spoil the child” philosophy.

Young children are hit hard enough to leave marks and bruises, according to criminal complaints; they’re hit in their homes; they’re hit if they misbehave in church. Some of the hitting is done initially with a wooden spoon, the complaints allege, but one church member allegedly told investigators they switch from a wooden spoon to a wooden dowel when a child is older and “meatier enough” to handle it.

There are so many similar allegations of abuse in voluminous criminal complaints that it is both mind-numbing and chilling — especially since the kids remained in their homes toward the end of March and may well still be there today. We can’t know for sure because the Dane County Department of Human Services, citing confidentiality laws, won’t even confirm knowing about the case.

They know, of course. They are “working” with the families, according to the sheriff’s office — a description that suggests they, unfortunately, aren’t in any big hurry to get the kids out of there.

This isn’t just about allegations of physical abuse. It’s about people apparently justifying it because of entrenched religious beliefs. According to the complaints, it’s also about a type of isolation and brainwashing that a licensed psychologist — after reviewing the reports — called “more extreme than any prison.”

A 16-year-old child was, for instance, shunned and confined to his room for three weeks, a complaint states, because of “repeated disobedience.”An adult woman, in the meantime, remained mostly in her bedroom for an entire month and even had to eat most of her meals there, according to a complaint that suggests she was following her husband’s instructions.

It is hard to imagine why any adult would willingly stay — but then there is an almost cultish thread to this story. Phil Caminiti is clearly the leader. But he is also described by former church members as a “creepy, overwhelming character” who could induce fear, as well as a guy who wanted people in the church to be “just like him.” One former church member told investigators that he left after Caminiti referred to himself as a prophet.

Caminiti — who is out of jail right now and has been instructed by a judge not to physically discipline any children as he awaits trial — couldn’t be reached for comment and his attorney did not return a call. But it is clear in the complaints that church members rely on the Bible as their guide. And, hey, the misguided literalists point out that it says right in Proverbs that “he who spareth the rod hateth his son.” “Withhold not correction from a child,” it also says, “for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die.”

Maybe not.

But, according to detectives, one of the adults in the church has already considered killing herself. And, assuming the criminal complaints are accurate, it wouldn’t be surprising if some of the kids end up feeling the same way if somebody doesn’t give them a way out, and soon.

Mike Nichols is a former columnist for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and is now a senior fellow with the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute. His column reflects his personal views and runs every Wednesday. He can be reached at [email protected] .

metatron

Currently, many of the women who protested against Mubarak in Egypt, are protesting against being excluded from any new government. The young men who led the overthrow want them to go home and scrub and mop.

Some things never change...

metatron

dinah

It is articles like this that let spousal abuse and child abuse run rampant in the Witnesses. They should be ashamed. Blame the victim, she should be more obedient.

sir82

Gosh, I wonder if a man or a woman wrote that article?

What a mystery! We'll never be able to figure it out.

WTWizard

Of course, they leave out one critical element. Who is it that usually knows about food prices first? Whoever does the shopping and notices the price of coffee going up from $3.99 a can to $6.49 for the same (or smaller) can will. Or, that notices that that $1.99 loaf of bread is now $3.39. Do the men usually do most of the shopping?

Now, if the wife notices inflation starting to get bad, she will be the first to suggest that they need to get out of toilet paper dollars and into gold and silver. However, the husband is the one making the money, and notices nothing amiss. He will not notice inflation at this stage, but the wife will. So, he might not think gold and silver are wise investments. However, if the wife submits, the dollar will continue losing its value while he doesn't notice. So, they will take a bath, plus get clobbered when the dollar loses all its value (which the wife, who usually does the shopping, will notice first).

This is as true with child care. Too many fathers will ignore small issues with their children, while the mothers are the ones to deal directly with it. So, it's the mother that is going to be in a position to know what to do. The father, who is often not as interested in finding out what is going on, will give bad advice because it's based on insufficient information. When you do not have free discussion, you usually end up with bad results. Sometimes it results in a child that starts using drugs because the mother noticed something wrong but the father didn't (and did not consult the mother). Sometimes it's a medical condition that could have been prevented, had the father listened. And, sometimes it could be financial disaster because the father didn't pay attention to the wife's complaining about prices going up at the grocery store, and left their investments in toilet papers or refused to invest anything at all.

May 15th WT - Wives Should be Obedient, Submissive & Not Disagree

Room 215

TotallyADD

blondie

Mike Nichols: Aleitheia Bible Church kids need a way out

metatron

dinah

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