Apostates lies and mislead others!!!!

by jam 23 Replies latest jw friends

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  wobble

  Thanks for the thread Jam !

  it is something I have thought about, the WT accuse us of lying, why don't they expose us by listing these lies, and who said them .and when ?

  Because they cannot, the best they could do in this regard, is to pick on the odd innacuracy that someone has stated, which is due to laziness rather than mendacity, or, as I suspect they woud do, is make up lies, pretend they were said, with no attribution of course, and then defend those "lies".

  The WT/JW religion is founded on lies and maintained by lies, it is ironic that they accuse those of us who have left of employing lies, that is in itself a HUGE lie !

  If ever I hear this accusation spoken to me, I shall challenge the speaker to furnish verifiable examples, boy will they have a surprise when they do their research !
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  nugget

  Apostates can lie the watchtower also lies. It is part of the human condition to lie. Not all apostates lie about the watchtower there is little need as there is such a wide range of problems and issues with the organisation to highlight. The Watchtower lies constantly about the big things that matter, about their origins and doctrines, about their policies and the love they have for one another.

  I trust some apostates more than the organisation because I am free to check their words and challenge their views. In the organisation they lie but members are not allowed to verify their facts.
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  HintOfLime

  If only the New World Translation wasn't an abridged vesrion of the HOLY SCRIPTURES, JW's would know better.

  1 Maccabees 5:12: And thou who is foolish in thy heart, sayith to thyself, 'Let us go thereforth and eat, drink, watch disgusting porn, and mislead others to their doom for the lulz... for tomorrow the sun shall rise again. And thou sunrise shall be pretty, with pink clouds and blue skys." Thus sayith the LORD.'

  Wow. Deep stuff.

  - Lime
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  jookbeard

  lets have a look at a few of the lies Apostates make up to try and turn Gods people away from his organization

  Membership of the UN , lie or fact?

  dreadful child abuse scandal highlighted by the work of Silent Lambs, lie or fact?

  Homosexual members of the GB covered up , lie or fact?

  failed prophecies/doctrinal flip flops,lies of facts?

  The scandal in Mexico during the 1970's allowing their own brothers to buy forged and stolen military exemption certificates, lie or fact?

  Millions now Living Will Never Die,publication(1925) and house called Beth Sarim purchased in preparation for the resurrection of the faithful patriarchs, lie of fact?

  1844/1874/1914/1918/1919/1925/1935/1944/1975/2000, biblical dates which were presented as truth and would be definitely fulfilling bible prophecy,lie or fact?

  Vaccinations and organ transplants were banned and anyone violating this command were compared to cannibals, lie or fact?

  If you ticked the "fact" box then clearly the so called Apostate cannot be in any shape or form lying, perhaps the WTS is guilty of the lies?
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  Aussie Oz

  There only needs to be one or two veryfied lies by those the WT lables as apostates.

  Those few will be picked up on no matter how trivial they may be and will be enough to show the rank and file that ALL apostate information must therefore be lies.

  That is also why we must be doubley conscious to only present documented fact.

  Sadly, that is not the case as i found out when i first started searching, and again recently with a certain site i will not mention.

  oz
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  ProdigalSon

  Actually, we sometimes lie when we use the Bible to condemn them, because the Bible lies. But I think it's acceptable warfare strategy anyway, since the Bible is their God. It seems even IT can hardly ever agree with them, and when they REALLY paint themselves into a corner, they just CHANGE IT. And hey, why not? They're spirit-directed by the same rotten spirit than channeled the Bible. No harm no foul.... just consider it "new light".
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  cantleave

  Apostates are no a singular generic breed. They all have had some dealings with JW's but have taken different paths out of the cult.

  Some have been hurt, emotionally and physically, others have just seen the BS and walked away, no real harm done.

  Different angles appeal to different people, for me the UN association was a biggie, for others it isn't.

  Some are fascinated by subliminal images, I personally think putting a mirror to WTS illustration is tretching credibility.

  The key thing is, whatever we publish or say need to be verified, or it will be siezed upon and used as evidence that ALL apostates are lying scum.

  This is why I have sided with Publishing Cult on the "Johhny" issue.
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  DesirousOfChange

  Have we tried to turn people away from God or from the borg.

  DUH....................Yeah. Really, no denying that.........tho might claim "good intentions".

  JOOKBEARD Thanks for that great list of issues! Very eye-opening.
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  mouthy

  Have we tried to turn people away from God or from the borg.

  I dont agree with the above^ saying Yeah!!! I find many people leave the WT teachings

  And then find a personal relationship with GOD!!!in the belief of Jesus Christ as their LORD

  & Saviour...Not ALL!many become Atheist's.But at least they are THINKING INDEPENDENTLY

  which is what the Watchtower didnt allow.
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  Mad Sweeney

  I can only think of two specific ones.

  1. That Booze Joe placed an image of a homosexual act being performed behind the cross of Christ into the WT literature.

  2. That Johnny is a Bethelite.

  Oh, there is one more that I sometimes hear from some apostates from the Borg: There is no reason to reject the Bible as Jehovah's Word just because of the flaws of the Watchtower. This, too, is false. There are plenty of reasons.