33 Questions

by Yadirf 28 Replies latest jw friends

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  Yadirf

  The Moody Bible Instititute wrote the Watchtower Society asking for a debate on the radio. Brooklyn sent them a list of 33 questions and stated that if they could not answer them, there was no use in debating. There was no answer from the Moody people.
  
  1. Was Eden on earth or in Heaven?
  2. Was Adam created mortal or immmortal?
  3. If Adam had not sinned, would he ever had died?
  4. If he had lived forever, would you have called it immortality?
  5. On account of sin, he did die, so does not that prove he was mortal?
  6. Is there a difference between eternal life and immortality?
  7. Can a man live eternally and yet be mortal?
  8. If Adam had not sinned and then brought death upon himself, where would he have spent endless life?
  9. Would he have lived forever in the earthly paradise where he was placed, or would he later got to Heaven?
  10. If Adam could not go to Heaven without dying and could not die without sinning, does not that prove that sin and death are a blessing to mankind?
  11. Did Adam and his race lose an earthly home or heavenly?
  12. If Jesus Christ came to restore to the race that which was lost through Adam's fall, what will be restored?
  13. Was Adam a single individual or two in one?
  14. If Adam was composed of two parts--soul and body--which part was the real Adam?
  15. Which part was it that could think, feel, and understand and be responsible for its conduct?
  16. Which part was it that sinned--soul or body?
  17. If it was the body that sinned and was condemned, why is it said that souls have to be saved?
  18. If it was the soul that sinned and was condemned, why did the innocent body have to suffer for it?
  19. In Gen. 2:17, what part of Adam did God refer to when He said, "Thou shalt surely die!"?
  20. What did the word "Thou" refer to in Gen.2:17?
  21. If you say soul, then what does "Thou" refer to in Gen. 3:19?
  22. How many different penalties were passed upon Adam?
  23. Was one penalty passed against his soul and another against his body?
  24. Then explain Ezekial 18:4 and Eccl. 9:5, 10.
  25. Is the penalty mentioned at Gen.2:17 different from the one mentioned at Gen. 3:19?
  26. If there was just one penalty, what was it?
  27. Does the Bible say it was death or burning in endless life in Hell?
  28. Suppose after the Adamic sin, no Savior came, where would the human race spend eternity?
  29. Did Jesus really die on the cross?
  30. Or was it just His body that died?
  31. If Jesus had an immortal soul that did not die, and that immortal soul was Jesus, why not say that we are misinformed about Jesus dying for sinners, just the house he lived in died to save the house that men live in and the real Jesus did not die, and the real man is not saved?
  32.When Jesus rasied Lazarus of Bethany from the dead, where did Lazarus come from?
  33. If the real Lazarus had been in Heaven for four days, and then came back to live with his sisters again, can you explain why he never told them a word about his wonderful trip and what he saw up there?

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  Frenchy

  1) Do you suppose they could answer the questions asked of them on this forum?
  2) Why haven't they?
  3) When was the last time you heard them debate anyone publicly?
  4) Why not?
  5) Who would determine, in this and your post, what the correct answers would be?
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  ashitaka

  Interesting questions....want to debate them here?

  Sounds fun. Tell everybody about it and get Achristian, JanH, Abaddon, all the good debaters together. I'd love to participate. I have answers for a few of the questions. Don't know everything, though.

  ashi
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  Englishman

  Oh My Giddy Aunt!

  It's a multi-choice thing. Just 2 choices for everything, how dub-like. In or out, hot or cold, on or off, black or white.

  I refuse to paricipate on the grounds that there are not enough choices.

  A bit like being a JW I guess.

  Englishman.

  Truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented. -Georges Braque
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  Focus

  Dear Yadirf

  Thank you for your implied invitation to debate. Here is a list of ONE question. If you cannot answer it, there was no use in debating.

  1. Resolve 2^(2^(2^(2^(2^2))))-1 into positive integer factors other than 1 and itself, or prove that none exist.

  My demand or condition has as much relevance and authority as did that of the Watchtower.

  --
  Focus
  (I preferred the Brothers Grimm! Class)
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  ChuckD

  Yadrif,

  Can you supply a few more details please?

  You mentioned that the Moody folks wrote to the society asking for this debate. Do you know when that was?

  Also, when did the society send this list to them in reply?

  Might I also ask how you learned about this? I don't mean to imply that it is something you made up, but I wonder if it may have a bit of Urban Legend to it. If it made the rounds a few times within the society before you received it, the story may have been embellished a bit.

  Also, what was the purpose of this list of questions? Was the Society saying that unless the other folks could answer these questions "correctly" they would not debate them, which of course would never be the case, or were they saying that this was a list of points that they would be willing to discuss during a debate if it were to be held, which seems much more reasonable (and less likely).

  cd
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  Hmmm

  33. If the real Lazarus had been in Heaven for four days, and then came back to live with his sisters again, can you explain why he never told them a word about his wonderful trip and what he saw up there?

  A. He was molested while in heaven and was told that if he discussed it with anyone he'd be DFd, because their weren't two witnesses to the crime?

  Hmmm
  (who actually thinks #10 is a good question)
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  ChuckD

  34) Are there cavemen in heaven?

  35) Do you need to get a haircut in heaven?

  36) Do you get your baby teeth back in heaven?

  37) Do they all speak English in heaven, or will they be chattering away like a bunch of savages?
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  funkyderek

  There was no answer from the Moody people.

  Maybe they were sulking. (Moody, get it? )

  --
  "Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything." -Robert A. Heinlein
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  Frenchy

  Just a very few questions I would like answered by the WTBS. These are among some of the issues that caused me to question that God is actively communicating with the GB. If I am wrong, I wish to be corrected.

  1) Why is the everlasting fate of the former occupants of Sodom and Gomorra so difficult a subject for such scholars as yourself?
  2) How did you arrive at the first answer?
  3) The second?
  4) The third?
  5) The fourth?
  6) Was there a fifth also?
  7) Please explain how the ‘light keeps getting brighter’ concept is in operation here.
  8) Also, please explain how 180 degree turns are to be reconciled with the ‘tacking’ maneuvers suggested elsewhere.
  9) Did you not state on numerous occasions and over a long period of time that those people alive in 1914 constituted the generation that would not pass off the scene until Armageddon?
  10) Were you correct in so stating?
  11) How did you arrive at your first conclusion?
  12) How did you arrive at your second conclusion?
  13) Will there be a third?
  14) Are you certain you are correct now?
  15) Are you more certain of this assertion than you were of the fate of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorra?
  16) Just how certain were you of the S&G thing as compared to the ‘generation of 1914’?
  17) What is the difference between a lie and a mistake?
  18) Are both sins?
  19) Have you brothers sinned in this respect?
  20) Has your sin caused any hardship for those under your care?
  21) Have you asked their forgiveness in connection with this?
  22) Have you asked God’s forgiveness in connection with this?
  23) Have you ever promoted any other teaching, doctrine, or given specific counsel on certain facets of your members’ lives that could very well affect their very lives?
  24) Did you ever change your position an any of these?
  25) How did you arrive at your first conclusion?
  26) How did you arrive at your second conclusion?
  27) Is there room for the presumption of the possibility of further ‘tacking’ or of increasing light on this subject?
  28) Is anyone other than yourselves allowed to even think about that possibility?
  29) If so, would they be allowed to discuss this with fellow members?
  30) What would happen if they did?
  31) Did you not state that “The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our twentieth century.” In the Jan 1, 1989 issue of the Watchtower?
  32) Inasmuch as you have not ceased this ‘activity’, was that a false statement?
  33) Was it a mistake or a lie?
  34) Was there any effort to conceal the wrong such as quietly changing the wording before including the document in the bound volumes?
  35) Was there any retraction after that erroneous statement?
  36) Don’t you think there should have been?
  37) Does not the fact that you changed that statement that very year before inserting that issue of the magazine in the bound volume suggest that you were fully aware that this was either: a) a mistake; or b) a lie?
  38) Then why didn’t you say so?
  39) Was that statement in the Jan 1 Watchtower true or false?
  40) Which one was true, the one in the magazine or the one in the bound volume?
  41) To which error did you admit?
  42) How did you arrive at your first conclusion?
  43) The second?
  44) Will there be a third?
  45) Has this specific falsehood appeared anywhere else in your literature? What about this statement: “Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom” kj 216
  46) Was this another slip or a deliberate attempt to mislead?
  47) Was there ever an attempt by you to correct this false statement?
  48) Why not?
  49) Did you or did you not presume to tell your following that it would not be right to accept an organ transplant?
  50) Did you or did not later admit that this was a matter for personal conscience?
  51) How did you arrive at your first conclusion?
  52) The second?
  53) Do you concede that your first statement may have resulted in someone losing their life?
  54) Who would be responsible if such a thing actually happened?
  55) Would you openly admit responsibility?
  56) Would you see fit to compensate the family materially and in any other way within your power for such a gross error on your part?
  57) Have you resolved not to do such a thing anymore and therefore demonstrating repentance in order not to stand in adverse judgment before God?
  58) How many mistakes should an organization be allowed before the members would be allowed to seriously consider the judgment of those that are leading it?
  59) How many falsehoods are required before the ‘truth’ is no longer the ‘truth’?
  60) Are individuals also allowed to make mistakes?
  61) How about other religions? Are they allowed mistakes and falsehoods also?
  62) Why not?
  63) How did you arrive at the conclusion that you alone are allowed to make mistakes and still have God’s favor?
  64) Will there be a revision of that viewpoint?
  65) Are the members allowed to discuss your shortcomings?
  66) How did you arrive at that conclusion?