How did animals end up in places like South America and Australia if there was a flood that limited all life on earth to a centralized point in the middle east 6000 years ago? If youve escaped the JWs you clearly have some critical thinking ability so anybody who says there was a global flood, please use your critical thinking here.
GLOBAL FLOOD . . . Did it Really Happen?
by sizemik 91 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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sizemik
@ sizemik, Adaption is not evolution, sheep on Islands started to eat kelp instead of grass, because grass was in short supply, they are still sheep just utilising a different foodstuff, I could replicate this eg hundreds of times, with different creatures, on land, in air ,at sea.
Agreed . . . adaptation and evolution are two different things.
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Heaven
prisoner no 6, yes, I have read in the past about this idea that the flood was local. I was hoping you would respond to moshe.
If this is to be the accepted story, then not only does the Bible need to updated but so do all the Christian religions. A global flood is the accepted story. Using such all encompassing words such as 'all flesh' and 'all the Earth' if this is not true for today's understanding then this needs to be revised.
A local flood just fails to frighten like a global flood does though. And fear is the main motivator the Bible uses. A local flood removes the significance and impact for which a global flood story is trying to portray.
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sizemik
The flood stories that permeate a number of cultures and inspired the Bible account may well have been the result of local events. But the Bible description of the Flood of Noah was definitively Global.
Heavens point is a valid one
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Larsinger58
How did animals end up in places like South America and Australia if there was a flood that limited all life on earth to a centralized point in the middle east 6000 years ago? If youve escaped the JWs you clearly have some critical thinking ability so anybody who says there was a global flood, please use your critical thinking here.
Have you ever heard of a zoo keeper? Individuals likely took groups of animals to scatterred areas of the world. Is that too hard to imagine. You think God created a global flood without thinking the whole thing through?
Some people don't believe because lack imagination or perhaps something more basic.
The Bible is true. God is real. The Global Flood happened. Don't let the miraculous things make you miss out on eternal life.
LS
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poopsiecakes
Anything this big that requires imagination over logic should be looked at very critically, Lars.
...just sayin...
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moshe
Have you ever heard of a zoo keeper? Individuals likely took groups of animals to scatterred areas of the world. Is that too hard to imagine. You think God created a global flood without thinking the whole thing through?
Lars, Are you saying that some "zookeeper" built another boat and took a pair of wooly mammoths to North America after the flood destroyed them everywhere else?
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designs
I'd hate to be the Janitor on the Ark cleaning up after the Big Wooly Mammoth.....
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Terra Incognita
Larsinger:
"One of the things that that convinces me there was a global flood is indirect evidence of the water canopy. For instance, under all the ice on Antartica is tropical plant life. The geologists want to tell us that Antartica was thus closer to the equator at one time and then drifted to the South Pole. That's one theory."
Before responding to your post, Larsinger, I want to thank you for posing an argument that is worthy of debate.
My knowledge about past Antarctic life forms in very spotty, at best, but to my recollection there were pine trees growing at the periphery of a much reduced ice cap at one point in its geological past. It was mostly ice free during a period of time during the reign of the dinosaurs but, according to plant fossils, it definitely was not tropical. In fact it would have had quite a bit of snow during the winter.
Antarctica doesn't even have to be close to the equator to have warmer than present weather. Changes in Ocean circulation, Carbon Dioxide levels, etc., can have major impacts on its local weather. Antarctica, by the way has been in its present position for a long period of time, even while the other continents drifted a lot.
That it may have had semi tropical plants at some point is not proof of a water canopy hypothesis. Before giving a particular explanation as the only one that can account for a particular situation, you have to exhaust the alternative explanations.
As far as Continental Drift is concerned, it is a proven theory. Furthermore, we can accurately figure out where those continents have been at any given time.
"But another is consistent with the water canopy which was over the earth and which made the entire earth a tropical environment, very much like a green house. When this was removed, then the poles froze."
Not when you understand the dynamics of water flow and heat retention.
Assuming, and that's a big assumption, that the air temperature would lower drastically, it would not be able to freeze the waters at the poles. The waters that would fall on the poles would quickly seek the lowest level by falling into the ocean. There cannot be any flash freezing; in fact it would take weeks probably months for such warm water to freeze. By then that water would have fallen into the oceans with the currently iced covered polar land masses (Antarctica and Greenland) left bare.
The reason for that is takes a much longer time for water to give up its heat energy than air. Water is a thousand times denser than air. That means that while air can cool off quickly, water will still be releasing its heat slowly. It would stay unfrozen for a period of time before the air above it, at lower than freezing temperatures, has the ability to freeze even the top 1 foot.
How then can you explain the fact that the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is up to TWO MILES THICK! It takes a while for the warmest waters in the Arctic Ocean to refreeze to just as a mere crust of ice-1, 2, 3 then a few feet thicker. Yet Young Earth Creationists want to believe; against the laws of physics that such water, two miles thick, will instantly be flash frozen.
Let me repeat the main points in brief so that one can realize what the "flash Freeze" explanation is up against:
- Extremely long times for water to give up its heat compared to air at any given temperature.
- Temperatures of, to give a "Creationist" inspired guess, 80 degrees Fahrenheit.
- The fact that ocean water just a few degrees above freezing (30 o -35 o F) takes weeks to months for just a crust of ice to initially and then get deeper, and slowly at that.
- The fact that water will simply equalize its level long before any frigid air temperature (even if it were sub zero) would have a chance to freeze a miniscule amount of it let alone the entire thickness.
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kurtbethel
I have a simple test for people who think there was a world wide flood covering the whole earth.
Get several species of fish that live in both salt and fresh water. A dozen of each would be good. Then raise them for a year in several tanks. Each tank should have a certain level of salinity that corresponds to the levels in the oceans of the time, and fresh water, with several increments between those levels. A half dozen different tanks would do. At the end of the year, demonstrate that all of the selected fish could survive at a certain universal level of salinity that a worldwide flood would produce.
Then we can talk about the possibility of a worldwide flood.