Real Jehovah's Witnesses (djeggnog, StandFirm, etc), I'm trying to understand you.

by pirata 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • watersprout
    watersprout

    Shel that was a fabulous post! I really enjoyed it.

    Thank you

    Peace my sister

  • punkofnice
    punkofnice

    @1pnt = I handle the word of truth aright.

    Well, there's nothing like blowing your own trumpet! There's nothing like upholding your own opinion.

    Do you wonder if, with all the long answers you give people might think you are a bit too....how can I put this without sounding rude....er.....eccentric? No offense meant but isn't less = more?

    I have to say, you do seem like a 'troll'.

    PS. You can't count time with me if you are genuine, I'm not DF, DA or anything of the sort. I am still considered a 'publisher' although I don't write many books if the title confuses some!!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Conspiracy theories? 1pnt, you sound like my (JW) brother-in-law. Do you live in Ontario? PM me if this is too private an answer.

  • Athanasius
    Athanasius

    Looks like 20571pnt428571 refuses to answer Yknot's question:

    "I am curious are you a study, baptised publisher, born-in, raised or convert etc.

    What exactly is your association to the WTS?

    If you are a publisher of the good news of the kingdom......then what you posted above is a lot of self-justification but it wouldn't fly with Elders/CO. They would instruct you to stop all activities and properly apply all that energy to supporting the ministry locally...... that is why we have 'territories'!"

    How about it 20571pnt428571? Are you afraid that if the elders found out what you are doing here that you will be reproved?

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    @Aguest

    Greetings, dear 20571pnt428571, and peace to you!

    Well thanks for the information

    You are quite welcome (although I’m not sure I believe you read it; you obviously didn’t “get” it)…

    , though in error.

    Well, let’s see, shall we?

    What you are teaching is Occult Kabalist Zionist Supremacist theory, as handed to the Pharisees (John 8:44), when Jesus ID'd them to their face as the formost seed of Satan

    Actually, it isn't. First, I know nothing of “Occult Kabalist Zionist Supremacist” theory, and I HIGHLY doubt that those who put their faith in such theory know anything about what I have shared with you. Second, I only know what my Lord himself told and taught me. And he never mentioned anything about such a “theory”. So, I have to reject that, but thanks for trying.

    in fact Satan's seed in that manifestation on earth, then AND today.

    I didn’t even mention the seed of the Adversary, dear one… or, in fact, ANY seed. Those are entirely different subjects. I simply pointed out that your are walking by sight in that you’re following what you can SEE – a golden calf – rather than walking by FAITH and following the One you CAN’T see (with your physical eyes), Christ.

    You have that teaching hybridized with the Masonic Gentile version in their brothers in the Catholic Church, who are not opposed to them in the skeletal structure, though they play it off as so to the masses, but are the backbone of the sort of Doominati globalist cryptocracy.

    LOLOLOLOL! Ahh, so you’re one of those “if you can’t dazzle ‘em with brilliance [try to] baffle ‘em with BS” kind of people, eh? Well, okay, I’ll play along. Let’s see where you’re trying to take me. (Though, you must realize that ALL religions have SOME modicum of truth in them, indeed, that is the "foundation" on which they seek to build and why there are similarities.. but not only does a little truth not add up to ALL truth but, contrastly, a LITTLE leaven ferments the ENTIRE lump. So, no mystery that some of what I shared may SEEM to be similar to what some religions teach. Apparently, though, they STILL trust in themselves... rather than in Christ... and only Christ.)

    Together, in the UN NWO, they are the ULTIMATE BLASPHEMY of God's Kingdom to EVER raise it's DragonHead in this end cycle.

    The UN is not the “dragon”, dear one (but I would be more than happy to share with you who/what is, should you ever wish to know). Neither the one with seven heads and ten horns… nor any of the images that come/result from it. That is yet another WTBTS lie that you’ve bought into. Be that as it may, the fact that the WTBTS once was (and may be yet) an active MEMBER of the UN NGO says what about IT (the WTBTS)? Yet, you follow it…

    1. The UN Gentile blasphemy of the "kingdom of god"

    The UN is nothing more than a “superior authority,” dear one. And who sets those up and allows them to stand in their place? Hmmmmm???

    in a pact with Satan with the ultimate occult Is-Not-Real, "Isreali Elite Supremacists" who go by some well known names, interspersed globally in finance, banking, government, weapons, etc, as the main wealth repository of Satan globally, the International Finance Intelligence and Acquisition Network Global.

    Oh, Lordy, dear one; those are nothing more than the “world” that belongs to the Adversary. Part of the kings of the earth and “merchants.” And what happens to those? Not as much as occurs for Babylon the Great, the False Prophet, and the Wild Beast. Would like to take a crack at explaining what any… or all… of those are? Be careful, though, because unless your “information” came directly from the Holy Spirit… it is subject to [great/huge] error…

    2. The Shadow UN "Zion" BOTH old covenant, and new covenant, illegal usurpers who will be exterminated by God's angels and Jesus, to the man, no matter what hole they may try to hide in: (Amos 9:1-3) . . .

    A couple things, here: first, the WTBTS gives the UN way more credit than it deserves... just as they did the League of Nations, before it. What it overlooks is that the UN... is, again, a "superior authority." And, again, you DO know who sets those UP and allows them to exist, right???

    Second, as to "Jesus", just how is THAT going to happen... you know, his involvement exactly... when (1) HE said HE judges NO man… and (2) [Paul] wrote that he (Christ) turns the judgment over to the Father… and (3) John wrote that it is the Father who does the judging… and (4) Daniel corroborates that judging event??? I can tell you one way how: when folks… like those you FOLLOW… start making up LIES about the Christ. Which they do… because they don’t KNOW him, but only purport to do so in order to misled those like you…

    I saw Jehovah stationed above the altar, and he proceeded to say: “Strike the pillar head, so that the thresholds will rock. And cut them off at the head, all of them. And the last part of them I shall kill with the sword itself. No one fleeing of them will make good his flight, and no one escaping of them will make his getaway. 2 If they dig down into She′ol, from there my own hand will take them; and if they go up to the heavens, from there I shall bring them down. 3 And if they hide themselves on the top of Car′mel, from there I shall carefully search and be certain to take them. And if they conceal themselves from in front of my eyes on the floor of the sea, down there I shall command the serpent, and it must bite them.

    A couple things here, dear one: first, the account indicates that it is “Jehovah” and not Christ who is doing the “striking” (which you should have discerned because He is stationed "above the altar"... and only the MOST Holy One of Israel has that position)… and… there is no “Jehovah.” No such god, except the false one made up by man and used by the WTBTS to mislead you. The name of the Most Holy One of Israel is JAH (Psalm 68:4)… and the true rendering of the Tetragrammaton is “JaHVeH”… which means “JAH… who causes armies to be/come into existence/breathes armies (of angels/spirit beings) into existence. “JAH… of Armies.”

    “JeHoVaH” is a misrendering of the Hebrew consonants used in the name of the TRUE God, JHVH. “Someone” “decided” that the correct vowels were an “e”, an “o”, and an “a”. They are not. The CORRECT vowels are an “a” and an “e”… and nothing more.

    That is why the SON of God is not named “ben Jehovah” or some such silly moniker, but “JAH eShua”… pronounced “Yah eh Shua”… or “Yahshua” if said fast, or, in English… "Joshua." HE is the High Priest... and it is why it can be said ONLY of him, that he is the ONE … who came/comes… “in the name of JAH.”

    Your religious order, is NOT legally covered in that New Covenant, and before these days transpire, you and others must be made aware of that fact. You should research and "Get out of her", she has no future, and will be devoured by her "handlers" when she is no longer useful, very very soon.

    Oooh, see now, you've made an assumption... and a hugely wrong one, at that. I have no religion order, dear one, absolutely none at all. I am not a member of a religion, religious order, or church. I am a "member" of the Body of Christ, enrolled in the congregation of the Firstborn, by means of an anointing with holy spirit, the oil of exultation, which my Lord, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, poured out upon me in ratification of my Covenant with God… THROUGH him. He did this to manifest the UNION I share with him by means of his body and blood. I do not belong to a religion… or church: I AM the church, a "living stone" in the “temple” of God, which temple is being built by Christ, as the Son of David… for the eventual full occupation by God’s holy spirit. That spirit dwells in me NOW … THROUGH Christ… whose also dwells in me. There is no room for religion or any religious “order”… as there is only ONE Leader for the Body of Christ… and that is Christ, himself, as OUR Shepherd.

    It is YOU, however, that should “get out” of “her”… the WTBTS, which is a “daughter” of the adulteress harlot, Babylon the Great. Because it is YOU who is still “touching” the “unclean thing.” However, the promise is that if you DO quit touching it… if YOU separate yourself… you will be taken IN… as a son/daughter.

    May you hear… and get the SENSE of that truth.

    These are divine legal matters which will be resolved globally, shortly.

    And you "know so" because the WTBTS has told you so? Well, I hate to be the one to burst that bubble but, actually, that’s not quite true. NOTHING gets resolved until after my Lord returns. Which has not occurred, yet. Even then, the ONLY thing that takes place at that time is the separating, by him and his co-rulers, of those who are “sheep” from those who are “goats.” Which takes about a thousand years. It isn’t until AFTER that period that Babylon is destroyed, that the wild beast and false prophet are cast into the lake (of fire), that Satan is loosed to once AGAIN mislead “the entire inhabited earth”… and that the War at “Harmageddon” occurs and results in the destruction of Gog (goat-like people), Magog (goat-like spirit beings, aka “demons”), and Satan. Even then, the general resurrection hasn’t occurred.

    So, I would encourage YOU to leave off listening and gulping down the “wormwood” of the WTBTS, THAT particular “false prophet”… and start listening to the voice of the Fine Shepherd, instead.

    The Pharisees "offered" Jesus illegally in 'blood' sacrifice to Satan, for global rulership as the reward, with gentile occult supra-national elites, the Rothschild occult are but one, of a broad line of occult "Pharisees" and Gentile secret societies representing Satan at the top of the pyramid of global human sacrifice, the Tower of Babel (Bank, Tower of Basal, as an example you can look up** later).

    I do not dispute this; however, your identification of these entities is off-kilter. Very. These are only the “traveling merchants” who profit from Satan’s “world”, including Babylong... and her daughters... who have fornicated WITH those of that world. So what? They will one day stand back and say, “Too bad, too bad…” at her demise. Where will YOU be, though, when that occurs? Still "in" her?

    Of course God is the legal recipient of that ransom of the Christ, (through Judas' Pharisaic deal, Satan was instrumental),

    Here, you are in grave error, dear one. It was not the Most Holy One of Israel who called for the sacrifice of Christ – it was Death. “Destruction.” That one was owed a life… because of the “deal” Adham made with him for the lives of his progeny. Satan is Death's “chief agent”, not God’s. Christ is God's Chief Agent: the Agent of LIFE. What you are doing, though, is attributing unrighteousness to the Most Holy One of Israel, that it was HE would called for the death of His Son. That it was from HIM that my Lord had to ransom and buy-back Adham’s progeny. It was NOT. DEATH took that deal, not JAH. JAH merely gave up His Son as the price for payment of that deal... to "satisfy" Death's "craving."

    Man, oh, man… you are really buying into the malarkey!

    but that's the kind of evil Satan is,

    Just Satan? You have just indicated that Satan... and God... were in cahoots. Do you not SEE that? God is love, dear one, and there is no love in calling for the death of one who is sinless. For ones who sinFUL, either. Which is why much of what you read ABOUT the Most Holy One of Israel in the OT... are LIES. Just as Jeremiah wrote, "The false stylus of the secretaries is working in sheer falsehood." (Jeremiah 8:8). So, how do we know what to believe? Christ told us. He said, "I came to bear witness... TO THE TRUTH." Let me ask you: whose life did HE call for? What sacrifice did HE demand? Yet, he said that EVERYTHING he did, he did because it was what he learned from the Father, what he received from Him. Yes? He said he did NOTHING of his own initiative. Right? So, who did he judge and condemn? To the contrary, did he not FREELY FORGIVE... and tell US to freely forgive, to show mercy, to go RELEASING?

    Your self-righteous "need" to be "lawful" is rendering you blind, dear one... because you don't know the Law, the purpose FOR the Law, or even the NEW Law. You don't... because you follow others who don't. Blind guides... leading the blind. To where? "New light"? No such thing. The truth is the truth and always has been... from "the beginning" (in the Ark). God and Christ don't change. They are the same... YESTERDAY, TODAY, and TOMORROW. It is those who prophesy falsely who much change. It is THEIR teachings that "tack" and blow back and forth, NOT God or Christ's.

    and that is what is inundating your "demonology". That's why, it is dead serious, you do your research thoroughly, and get out now. You'll be glad you did just so.

    You know, I'm not sure what you mean by "demonology." I have no fear of demons and they have no hold on or persuasive power over me. They are impotent and without power, and prey on the weak and the fearful... and those separated from God by consciences burdened by sin. I am none of these. I receive my strength from Christ... and have cast all fear outside, by means of the love he has taught me. And my conscience is clean... because my spirit has been washed clean in the blood of the Lamb. I am only awaiting the "white robe"... a clean BODY (free of sin)... which body I will receive from my Lord at his return.

    But, please, don't throw that "demon" card out at me; it has absolutely NO weight. I don't tremble at them... or the mention of them. Truly. Because t he only thing (or rather, One) that I am IN, is Christ (and he in me).

    YOU, however, appear to be knee-deep in religious propaganda… and apparently not exclusively WTBTS propaganda but darn close... and ITS resultant "demonology." You just can't SEE it. Again, because you've got that whole blind thing going on... and second, because you are so blinded by such propaganda, that you can't even see the Light that is Christ. You are SO worried about what the "world" is doing. Why? It's going to do what it's going to do! YOUR focus, however, is SUPPOSED to be on the kingdom... and ITS righteousness. But you can't focus there because you don't know what the "righteousness" of the kingdom IS. As shown by your attempt to partner the Most Holy One of Israel with SATAN in the sacrificial death of His Son.

    That "righteousness", however, ISN'T judging others... or condemning them OR their conduct, activities, or works. That is something PAUL may have taught, but not Christ. The "righteousness" of the kingdom is MANIFEST... is love... for God, Christ, self, one's own flesh (meaning, spouse and children), brother (meaning relatives), neighbor, stranger... and MOST important... enemy. Because the latter is how one PROVES oneself to be a son of God.

    **Secretive Plan For a Global Currency

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23762

    See? Occult financial/religo propaganda…

    C’mon, dear one : if you can’t at least use your heart (or, rather, let Christ use it), then at least use your head: the WTBTS is a false prophet led by false christs, and currently is the MOST reprehensible of the harlotous “daughters” of Babylon the Great. Because they are the ONLY ones who, contrary to what CHRIST said… constructively “prohibit” the eating from the Tree of Life.

    Christ is that Tree… the TRUE Vine, Root of Jesse, Sprout. NO ONE comes to the Father except through him. NO ONE will be resurrected to life except by him. NO ONE will live forever except those for whom HIS blood covers so as to blot out their sins. There is no other Teacher, no other Leader, no other Shepherd, no other Lord. HE is the One appointed by God to lead Israel … then… and now. Leaving the east… leaving Canaan … leaving Egypt … leaving Jerusalem … and leaving the Harlot. HE is the “shekinah” Light that goes before us… and there is no one else given that position.

    HE is the “Joseph” one must go TO… and THROUGH… in order to partake of “Pharaoh’s” grain, to eat at His table. Many have come in his place… but they are all thieves and plunderer’s. Including your beloved GB.

    But I can only share these truths with you, as I would want you to share them with me. It is not up to ME, however, as to whether God will make them “grow” in you. It is not up to ME whether the Most Holy One of Israel will draw you to Christ… or whether Christ will lead you to the Most Holy One of Israel.

    It isn’t really even up to you, for as Christ said, “You did not choose me. I chose YOU.”

    May you be given ears, however, to hear these truths and get the sense of them, as well as to hear the Spirit and the Bride, if you so wish it and are thirsting, when they say to YOU:

    “Come! Take ‘life’s water’… the holy spirit of God, who is the MOST Holy One of Israel and whose name is JAH… of Armies… which spirit, the oil of exultation by which one is claimed as a ‘son of God’… is poured out ONLY by His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH… out from HIS innermost parts… FREE !”

    Again, peace to you!

    Your servant, as I am servant to ALL of those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with… and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Maze
    Maze

    StandFirm informed me he didn't like the forum and likely will not be posting here again. The Watchtower Society may encourage the wise use of a person's time, but I haven't noticed the discouragement of research outside the Society's publications because the Governing Body fears outside influences. That type of thinking is the thought process that Jehovah's Witnesses are under the umbrella of mind control. This is science fiction as there's no scientific theory, let alone, evidence for “mind control.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control

    James Richardson observes that if the NRMs (new religious movements) had access to powerful brainwashing techniques, one would expect that NRMs would have high growth rates, yet in fact most have not had notable success in recruitment. Most adherents participate for only a short time, and the success in retaining members is limited. For this and other reasons, sociologists including David Bromley and Anson Shupe consider the idea that "cults" are brainwashing American youth to be "implausible." In addition to Bromley, Thomas Robbins, Dick Anthony, Eileen Barker, Newton Maloney, Massimo Introvigne, John Hall, Lorne Dawson, Anson Shupe, Gordon Melton, Marc Galanter, Saul Levine (amongst other scholars researching NRMs) have argued and established to the satisfaction of courts, of relevant professional associations and of scientific communities that there exists no scientific theory, generally accepted and based upon methodologically sound research, that supports the brainwashing theories as advanced by the anti-cult movement.

    Some substitute mind control for loyalty to God or loyalty to a cause they disagree with. The reason the Watchtower Society discourages interacting with apostates is because of the effects of bad association, not because their “secrets” have any real merit.

    Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits. 1 Corinthians 15:33

    w93 8/1 p. 17 par. 10 Let No One Spoil Your Useful Habits

    Modern computers have opened other avenues to bad association. Some commercial firms enable subscribers using a computer and a telephone to send a message to electronic bulletin boards; a person can thus post on the bulletin board a message that is open to all subscribers. This has led to so-called electronic debates on religious matters. A Christian might be drawn into such debates and may spend many hours with an apostate thinker who may have been disfellowshipped from the congregation. The direction at 2 John 9-11 underscores Paul’s fatherly counsel about avoiding bad associations.

    Why do you attend meetings if you've "lost your faith."

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Why do you attend meetings if you've "lost your faith."

    I realize you're not addressing me, dear Maze (peace to you!), but I would like to respond that WTBTS meeting attendance is not a requirement of faith... nor is faith a requirement of WTBTS meeting attendance... as evidenced by the millions of faithLESS who do it. Faith is the assured expection of the thihgs NOT seen... most particularly Christ. Although invisible to the physical eye... he is very much alive and SPEAKS (Hebrews 12:25). Yet, the WTBTS teaches that he DOESN'T speak... that it is the Bible (which they faithLESSly call "God's Word", which Word CHRIST is) that speaks... AND... that it speaks THROUGH them. So that it is the "visible representation of the Lord on earth" that ones must "look" to and at.

    Funny, walking by FAITH means there IS no VISIBLE anything... let alone representation... of God on earth. Indeed, the last VISIBLE representation was the temple at Jerusalem. Because the one that followed THAT... Christ, the TRUE "representation" of God on earth... ascended TO God (where he is still, "on Zion."). Since the temple was destroyed AFTER that, it would be the last representation, as least for Israel who still put their faith in it was supposed to represent.

    The leaders of the WTBTS, however, have not only seated themselves in the seat of Moses, have not only said, "Look at US; WE are the representation of the Lord on earth"... they have gone so far as to call themselves... the "Truth." Yet, Christ said, OF HIMSELF... "I... am the Truth" and "NO ONE comes to the Father... EXCEPT THOUGH ME." (John 14:6)

    So, it is those who put their faith in the WTBTS who are faithLESS, dear one. As one "sister" said to me, with GREAT frustration, in defense of HER attendance when I said these same things to her:

    "People don't worship what they can't SEE!"

    Indeed. Hence, the golden calf constructed by Israel when they grew weary of waiting for Moses to return... and the Temple at Jerusalem itself, for a people who were unable to walk by FAITH (as did Enoch, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph)... and so needed a "visible" representation.

    I hope this helps and may YOU have ears to hear, if you so wish it, when the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU:

    "Come! Take 'life's water'... the holy spirit of God, which spirit is poured out from the innermost parts of His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... and from NO OTHER SOURCE... free!"

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • yknot
    yknot

    Athanasius.......!!! (huggles)

    Come on 20571pnt428571....... it is a simple question.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Maze:

    Please answer your other thread on family too please.

    The Watchtower Society may encourage the wise use of a person's time, but I haven't noticed the discouragement of research outside the Society's publications because the Governing Body fears outside influences. That type of thinking is the thought process that Jehovah's Witnesses are under the umbrella of mind control. This is science fiction as there's no scientific theory, let alone, evidence for “mind control.”

    Mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, mind abuse, thought control, or thought reform) refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated".

    This process is well documented and not science fiction, it is studied often in view of (counter)intelligence, cults and so-called religions where people suddenly decide to cut off all contact to the outside even (non-believer) family. It is not a 'disease' but it is definitely a concept that is actively being used by certain groups and being studied by veritable scientists. Unless off course you're a Scientologist that rejects that psychology is real and scientific.

    As far as the WTBTS discouraging people from studying outside the WTBTS:

    “Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah’s visible organization in mind.”—The Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 587

    We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization.”—The Watchtower, February 15, 1981, p. 19

    Does ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ [Watchtower organization] endorseindependent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?—Matt. 24:45, 47. No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to doindependent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued anindependent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. …They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature. …Thus, ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight… For those who wish to do extra Bible study and research, we recommend that they explore Insight on the Scriptures,All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial,’ and our other publications….”—Kingdom Ministry, September 2007, p. 3

    “They say that it is sufficient to read the bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago…”—The Watchtower, August 15, 1981, pp. 28-29

    “Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the SCRIPTURE STUDIES aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years—if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone , though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness.” —The Watch Tower, September 15, 1910, p. 298, Watchtower Reprints, p. 4685

    “On occasion opposers will question the various teachings that Jehovah’s people hold in common… They will declare that all one needs to do is to read the Bible. But Christendom has been reading the Bible for centuries.” —The Watchtower, March 1, 1983, p. 25

    “We must not lose sight of the fact that God is directing his organization… To turn away from Jehovah and his organization, to spurn the direction of ‘the faithful and discreet slave,’ and to rely simply on personal Bible reading and interpretation is to become like a solitary tree in a parched land.”—The Watchtower, June 1, 1985, pp. 19-20

    Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using,we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.”—The Watchtower, December 1, 1981, p. 27

    How come that EVERYONE (their words, not mine) that reads the bible directly and objectively rejects the WTBTS as false even if they've been studying since they were little children? I still can't see how you apologists can't see the evidence in the bible and think for yourself, look for example on the subject of disfellowshipping in the Watchtower 2 or 3 weeks ago. How many bible verses do you find directly supporting shunning in the last 5 paragraphs of that study? As a matter of fact, how many bible verses do you find at all in the last 5 paragraphs? As a comparison, average out the number of verses quoted (not that I'm saying they quote and interpret the context correctly as well) in other paragraphs of the same study or other studies not talking about shunning.

    “If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. ‘New light’ never extinguished older ‘light,’ but adds to it.... So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.” — Zion’s Watch Tower, February 1881, p. 3

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    1pnt,

    I do appreciate your "unique" viewpoint on independent thinking and action. Though I doubt the WTS or any Elder body would have that same appreciation, I do like your spunk!

    TYA

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