How the WTBTS creates atheists

by Nickolas 103 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Nickolas
    Nickolas

    well said tec...you do have a knack for that

    Can't do a thing but agree. A first class mind to be sure.

    Good night, all.

  • tec
    tec

    Your mind is first class, Nick - and genuine. So is the respect you show to those who believe differently than you. I don't think I've ever seen you condescend to anyone. Love that about you.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • agonus
    agonus

    Nick's got a lot of us beat in the lack of condescension department - believers, unbelievers, or otherwise.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    I disagree...I feel that Nick can be condescending and patronizing.

    The constant comments to me that I am quote "Still not thinking" is extremely condescending.

  • trevor
    trevor

    We are to look to Christ - but don't we hear him - in Spirit - within us? ... Love, truth, compassion, forgiveness, mercy... the things Christ taught... we can probably trust those. The things that go against what He taught - against the Spirit of Christ... those probably come from something else within us.

    Tammy

    We all have an inner voice that talks to us. Our ancestors had an inner voice. The positive was attributed to gods, the negative to demons or devils. Sometimes people chose to worship negative gods. The gods were also responsible for thunder and lightening, volcanoes and earthquakes. We now know better.

    Often our inner voice talks to us through feeling. It can be heard as a voice or may communicate through dreams. I worked for many years as a psychotherapist. One of the aims was to help people become more aware of that inner voice to solve problems in their life.

    It does seem that you are very aware of your inner voice and have a good relationship with yourself. This tends to result in inner peace. Our inner voice is partly formed from information that we have accepted as accurate. Also from the values we hold and our own disposition. Words such as unconscious-mind, conscience and super ego are now well known by most people.

    Love and kindness are part of you personality or natural disposition. You are attracted to the ideal of Jesus because you share his approach to life. The idea that love is the key, resonates within you. You feel natural affinity with the words you have read about him.

    Some people struggle with negative feelings of hate and self loathing. This can become a predominant part of their personality. When you have negative feeling, you attribute them to an opposing spiritual force. Have you considered the possibility that what you are hearing is your own inner voice?

    I know you place great value on your relationship with Jesus. If it helps you to make sense of you life and emotion, then it serves a purpose. On the other, perhaps you should give yourself more credit for the kindness and love that you demonstrate so abundantly in your life.

  • sizemik
    sizemik
    Whoops!! I forgot - South America. Many people in South America still belive in magic, too...
    And maybe parts of New Zealand, too...??

    Are you serious?

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    sizemik....you know we have been dancing around the volcanoes here in Auckland....and I know you've been doing the big shake me up dance in Chch....dat magic sure is dangerous stuff! hee hee hee

    Do you think she was refering to the ancestor worship and tapu etc in Maori culture? Some do like to put curses on people.

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    Maybe still thinking . . . considering only 15% of the pop is Maori . . . and the great majority of the ones I've known view traditional Maori "spiritual" beliefs as a cultural legacy with traditions only . . . I can't be sure what the reference to believing in magic is based on.

    I would have thought the numbers (maybe even the %) would be less than, say, Afro-Americans who believe in voodoo? . . . or Irishmen who believe in Leprachauns? . . . dunno.

    Belief in magic is simply not something I've ever thought New Zealand would be recognised for . . . strange indeed.

    Let's face it . . . the average Kiwi is more recognisable for having down-to-earth skepticism about those sorts of things . . . or am I wrong about that? . . . If I am I've been living a very sheltered existence within my own borders.

    Not sure if Earthquakes and volcanoes are magic . . . but I sure as hell believe in them.

  • talesin
    talesin

    ummm,,,, juju????

    How about New Orleans, Cuba and some islands of the Caribbean?

    majick? Wiccans everywhere, and Celts who practice the religion of the Druids (I know a druid myself)

    just sayin'

    tal

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    Just wanted to point out that there are other experiences from many types of Churches:

    http://de-conversion.com/

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