So, a person cannot inherit sin from their mother?
Why did Jesus come to Earth as a man?
by StopTheTears 67 Replies latest jw friends
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botchtowersociety
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AGuest
A couple of things, if I may, dear STT (peace to you!), and others (peace to you, as well!)... just to keep things accurate, if I may. Thank you!
So Jesus did not have a human father. That is why he did not inherit any sin.
That's not quite true, dear one. He did not inheriti any sin of the SPIRIT because of his Father; however, he was made in the likeness of sinFUL flesh, with flesh he inherited from Mary. As a result, he sin IN his flesh... which is why he could die. SinLESS flesh does not die. He also had the sins of those he healed in his flesh, which is what made HIM sick... so he received (from Mary) vessel (body) that not only had sin in it, but could carry the sins of others in it. It was his spirit that was perfect; not his flesh.
By disobeying God's command, the first man, Adam, committed what the Bible calls "sin." So God sentenced him to death.
This is in accurate. Adham was disobedient, which resulted in sin (a standing/moving away from God), and as a result death ENTERED into this world THROUGH sin. NOT because God sentenced Adham to it. In addition, God did not sentence Adham to death - death was the price/wage that ADHAM paid... for his error. God warned him, not threatened him.
Jesus was a perfect human just like Adam. Unlike Adam, though, Jesus was perfectly obedient to God under even the greatest test. He could therefore sacrifice his perfect human life to pay for Adam's sin. This is what the Bible refers to as the "ransom."
While the first part of this statement is true, the second is inaccurate. My Lord sacrificed his perfect human life to pay for OUR sins, not just Adham's. It was a ransom because he gave his life to repurchase US, not to "undo" what Adham "did." A repurchase/ransom was required because Adham SOLD us... to Death. In exchange for everlasting life; however, Death had no AUTHORITY to grant such life - only the Most Holy One of Israel did. He subsequently gave that authority... to Christ, alone. Thus, just as Death cheated Adham, my Lord cheated Death. He gave his life, yes, but Death was not able to HOLD him! Thus, just as Death was unable to hold HIM, THROUGH him, it is unable to hold... eternally... those of us who belong to him!
Jesus died and was resurrected by God as a spirit creature
This, again, is inaccurate, dear one. My Lord resurrected himself... just as he (not God) will resurrect those who belong to him. This is because the keys to Death and Hades were given to him! HE has the authority to resurrect... himself and others. True, the Most Holy One of Israel GAVE him that authority, but still, he has it and used it/will use it. And he wasn't resurrected as a spirit creature - he IS a spirit creature... always was. He was resurrected in a body of flesh, which body "changed"... metamorphed to a spirit BODY... so that he could return to the spirit realm (flesh [with its] blood cannot enter into the kingdom of the heavens).
It's not that he was a spirit, then a man, then a spirit. He was a spirit, in a spirit body (vessel)... to entered the physical world and, for a time, resided in a fleshly body (vessel)... and then put off that vessel (metamorphed)... and returned to a spirit body. He had clean "robes" (white outer garment), the spirit body of a "princely" spirit being... then put on "unclean" robes (soiled outer garment), the fleshly body... then returned to be given "robes of state" (the whitest outer garment, given to spiritual "royalty" and here, the highest rank, subject only to the MOST Holy One of Israel Himself. Joseph... as to Pharaoh.), the spirit body of a KINGLY spirit being. The robes are "white" in that they are without corruption or defile IN them (unlike flesh with its blood, which carries sin and death IN it). Spirit bodies have no such corruption/defilement in them. Which is why that body lives forever - no sin/death IN it.
and he returned to heaven. Since then, God has made him a King.
This is accurate.
Soon Jesus will remove all wickedness and suffering from this earth.
This is inaccurate, sorry. It is not my Lord who removes all wickedness and suffering. He gives THAT authority back over to the Father, who not only removes Gog and Magog, but sits down and judges. My Lord removes SOME wickedness (and accompanying suffering) in that, as King, he subdues those who belong to him by teaching them peace (and love). Through HIM, these "learn war no more" and live by the laws of the NEW Covenant, which are, primarily, a reiteration of the "most important" laws of the OLD Covenant: to love God with your whole heart, mind, soul, and strength, and your neighbor AS yourself. In adhering to these, one who belongs to Christ learns love... and peace... as well as how to manifest the other "fruits" of God's spirit. They don't do this on their own, however, but through the lessons and admonitions they RECEIVE from Christ himself.
Of course, some will say, "Well, there's a whole lot of people who ascribe to those things without Christ telling/teaching them." Which is true. But Christ is telling/teaching/leading "Israel". The promise of a holy nation was made to ABRAHAM... and his seed... and, unfortunately, not all of that seed "get it" on their own. Not all know or do these things "by nature"... as many of the nations do. But the promise wasn't made to these others (the nations), outside of their joining to "Israel." They receive it only as a part of "Israel." That they do good is a wonderful thing, but it has nothing to do with the covenant "for a kingdom." They may end up being SUBJECTS of that kingdom... by means of the good they do TO "Israel", but it won't gain them kingship.
Anyway, I do not mean to contend but only to set the record straight, because these and other inaccuracies are what have led to the divisions as among so-called believers as to what is true and what isn't, as well as a turning AWAY from the Most Holy One of Israel, by a turning away from His Christ, the HOLY One of Israel, altogether. It is my hope that, perhaps, if people knew what was TRUE, they would at least cease blaming God, accusing Him, or wrongfully pointing the finger at Him... and/or His Christ... if not blaspheming them altogether.
I hope this helps, then, and, again, I bid you peace!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
P.S. Although the aging of his fleshly body would have probably resulted in gray hair, dear UC (peace to you!), my Lord's hair is white. Was before he came and was upon returning to his true form. Thus, is now.
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blondie
What about the imperfect genes he inherited from Mary?
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No Room For George
This, again, is inaccurate, dear one. My Lord resurrected himself... just as he (not God) will resurrect those who belong to him.
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cantleave
Stop the tears, your writing style is dumbed down enough to be suitable for Watchtower publication.
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AGuest
This, again, is inaccurate, dear one. My Lord resurrected himself... just as he (not God) will resurrect those who belong to him.
"[Jesus] answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. ... But he spake of the temple of his body."
"Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
Will that clarify, dear RoosterMan? I hope so!
Peace to you!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
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PSacramento
Why did Jesus come to Earth as a man?
Why not?
There are a few catch phrases that I always enjoy reading from JW's:
Spirit person ( almost insinuates the persons of the trinity, LOL !)
Perfect just like Adam ( not sure where the Bibel speaks of Adam being perfect and since he willinglu sinned, one wonders about the definition of perfect).
Resurrected By God as a Spirit Person ( there's that person thingy again, I swear JW's use it more than trinitarians, LOL ! and I wonder where they got it since, according to John anyway, Jesus's body was ( according to Jesus) Flesh and bone, is the WT telling is that spirit persons (TM) are made of flesh and bone?
And what's with the horse???
Why does Jesus need a horse?
Personally an F1 Maclaren would be my choice :)
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Mr. Falcon
I think I'm dying. I'm stuck at work with a 102 fever.
I may be seeing the Lord in the next couple of minutes. I'll ask him what he meant.
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PSacramento
And ask him where I lost my keys at home, I can't find them !
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Mr. Falcon
right-O. Someone lower me down through the roof on a cot! I got the shakes.