Finally!! The 1st time we see Maze cry!!
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Religious Reform
by Maze 216 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Maze
Oh and your imaginary lawyer husband and all your um 'friends' at the Hall? Well---they're not real dear, so they really don't count either.
Do you want to talk to my husband on skype you compulsive liar? Who do you think you are? I can prove every claim I make.
You don't have a congregation you brainless twit---you don't even go to the meetings. You're a pathetic shut-in with no life and who apparently has nothing better to do that to drool over the internet on websites defending a cult that has nothing to do with you, inventing new identities when your present identity gets banned.
I am a baptized publisher. All one has to do to attend the meetings is get in the car and go. If I didn't go I could start going and if did go I could stop going. You may be mentally deficient and thus can't comprehend the fact the anyone has choices when it comes to what they choose to do about the Truth. I think you've made your decision long before now and there's something more serious involved than brain malfunction:
w69 8/15 pp. 511-512 Questions From Readers
What is the unforgivable sin?—E. M., U.S.A.
The type of sin mentioned in the Bible as being unforgivable is not simply a category such as stealing, lying or sexual immorality. These things are serious, however, and may involve unforgivable sin. (Rev. 21:8) But the unforgivable sin is deliberate sin against the manifest operation of God’s spirit. It springs from a heart that is thoroughly and forever alienated from God.
Jewish religious leaders who came to Galilee to see and hear Jesus Christ on one occasion had already taken counsel as to how they might destroy him. (Matt. 12:14) In Galilee they saw Jesus cure a man who was unable to speak, was blind and demon-possessed. Instead of admitting the obvious fact, that Jesus was performing miracles by means of God’s holy spirit, the Pharisees maliciously accused him of doing it by means of the power of Satan. After showing how wrong they were, Jesus said:
“Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in the present system of things nor in that to come.”—Matt. 12:31, 32; Mark 3:28, 29; Luke 12:10.
With these religious leaders it was not just a case of failing to be convinced by Christ’s teachings and works. The people of Chorazin and Bethsaida had been so preoccupied with their way of life that they did not accept Jesus and repent; yet they evidently will benefit from God’s mercy and have a resurrection and a future opportunity to learn the way of righteousness. (Matt. 11:20-24) Nor with the Pharisees was it a matter of blaspheming and opposing true worshipers because of ignorance of God’s will. Saul of Tarsus had been such a man, but he was shown mercy and forgiven. (1 Tim. 1:13-16) Rather, these religious leaders were rotten in their hearts right to their core, and Jesus knew it. Unlike the common people, they had a considerable knowledge of God’s Word. Now they had seen an evident demonstration of God’s spirit. Nevertheless, they completely rejected what was accomplished by Jehovah’s spirit and blasphemously credited Jesus’ miracles to Satan’s power. How bad could one get?
Was their sin serious? Jesus, “knowing their thoughts,” realized that they were deliberately—with their eyes wide open to the facts—sinning against knowledge of the operation of the holy spirit. He indicated that they were “guilty of everlasting sin.” (Matt. 12:25; Mark 3:29) Because of the context of those words, and in view of the fact that Jesus later said that many religious leaders of that time were headed for eternal destruction in Gehenna, it seems that they had committed the unforgivable sin. (Matt. 23:15, 33) Their sin was unforgivable, not because Jehovah is not a forgiving God, but because they were past repentance and beyond being retrieved. Their sin left them in total infidelity as to the real worship of Jehovah. Even in the system of things to come, one guilty of such sin could not be forgiven.
Could one sin against the holy spirit today, and thus be beyond forgiveness? Yes, that is possible. A person could become so hopelessly corrupt in mind and heart as to carry sin to the point of sinning against the spirit. And one need not be a spirit-anointed Christian to do so. Remember that those Pharisees were not anointed Christians and yet they committed unforgivable sin.
How would one know if the unforgivable sin had been committed?
This type of sin is related to what we read in Hebrews 10:26: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.” So there is a deliberateness or willfulness about this kind of sin. One callously sins, fully aware of the fact that he is going directly contrary to the operation of God’s spirit and His righteous laws. Furthermore, we all are sinful and need Christ’s ransom sacrifice to obtain forgiveness. But “there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left” for one who knows that and “who has trampled upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood” he shed. That one “has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt.” (Heb. 10:29) He will never repent and humbly seek God’s forgiveness for his sin and rejection of Christ’s ransom. He is beyond repentance.
But one important point needs to be remembered: In Jesus’ case, he knew the innermost thoughts and heart condition of the Jews and could thus be certain that they had sinned against the holy spirit. Imperfect humans today cannot read hearts as can Jehovah and Jesus, so we cannot determine when someone has carried sin to the point of having sinned against the spirit. (Matt. 12:25; Heb. 4:13) That is for God to determine.
Even the fact that a person has been disfellowshiped from the Christian congregation does not necessarily mean that he has committed the unforgivable sin. He may later repent. In the early Corinthian congregation an anointed Christian had to be disfellowshiped because of his immorality and lack of evidence of repentance. Yet, apparently, that man was later reinstated into the congregation, showing that he had not sinned against the holy spirit.—1 Cor. 5:1-5; 2 Cor. 2:6-8.
Nevertheless, the mere fact that it is possible to sin against the holy spirit should put us on the alert. Being imperfect creatures, we unconsciously sin daily. If one is cut to the heart and truly repentant over his sins, then that is evidence that he has not committed the unforgivable sin. How important it is, then, to maintain a humble spirit, admitting our errors and seeking God’s forgiveness. (1 John 1:9; Mic. 7:18) And recognizing that eternal destruction will be the lot of those who are “guilty of everlasting sin,” the sin against the holy spirit, we should strive to avoid making sin a habit or denying the evident operation of God’s spirit.
It does say "that is for God to determine" but haven't you made an irreversible decision to never return to the meetings? I don't know for sure but I think you're beyond repentance so there's no point in communicating with you. I trust you won't initiate conversation with me again. -
mrsjones5
"Do you want to talk to my husband on skype you compulsive liar? Who do you think you are? I can prove every claim I make."
LOL! Like you would ever do that! You and your imaginary husband ain't got the guts! LOL!!
You're the liar who's been caught numerous times. Too funny. :D
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AliceInWonderLand/Maze
I am a baptized publisher. All one has to do to attend the meetings is get in the car and go. If I didn't go I could start going and if did go I could stop going.
You may be mentally deficient and thus can't comprehend the fact the anyone has choices when it comes to what they choose to do about the Truth.
I think you've made your decision long before now and there's something more serious involved than brain malfunction:....AliceInWonderLand/Maze
So..
You don`t deny,you don`t go to meetings..And..You don`t say which Religion your Baptised in..
You could be a Baptized Catholic who never bothered to get Baptised as a JW..
If your not going to meetings,it`s extremely unlikely your going out in the Field Service..
There are no Choices in Watchtower World..You do as your told..
Pretending you have a choice..Shows how far removed You are,from the Reality of Watchtower World..
It`s Obvious..
You don`t have a Clue how WatchTower World works..So you pretend and make things up..
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poopsiecakes
Somebody's getting frustrated...
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Maze
So..
You don`t deny,you don`t go to meetings..And..You don`t say which Religion your Baptised in..
You could be a Baptized Catholic who never bothered to get Baptised as a JW..
If your not going to meetings,it`s extremely unlikely your going out in the Field Service..
There are no Choices in Watchtower World..You do as your told..
Pretending you have a choice..Shows how far removed You are,from the Reality of Watchtower World..
It`s Obvious..
You don`t have a Clue how WatchTower World works..So you pretend and make things up..
Everything a person does in Jehovah's Organization is a voluntary decision. Suggesting Jehovah's Witnesses don't have the gift of freewill show how removed you are from basic social reality. Most of God's laws are laws of the land but the very few disfellowshipping offenses that are not don't violate the gift freewill. What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled.
Neither fornicators,
nor idolaters,
nor adulterers,
nor men kept for unnatural purposes,
nor men who lie with men,
nor thieves,
nor greedy persons,
nor drunkards,
nor revilers,
nor extortioners
…will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
None of the above sins bestow any blessings on humanity. More like maledictions... That's why there are laws against them. Why do you think the world's in such a mess? People break God's laws on a mass scale.
w56 7/15 p. 431 par. 3 Individual Human Interests
For this reason some law authorities refer to these natural rights in man as the law of nature. “As man depends absolutely upon his Maker for every thing, it is necessary that he should, in all points, conform to his Maker’s will. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature. For as God when he created man, and endowed him with freewill to conduct himself in all parts of life, he laid down certain immutable laws of human nature, whereby that freewill is in some degree regulated and restrained, and gave him also the faculty of reason to discover the purport of those laws.” -
yknot
Rachel.....
real conversations.....
Voluntary decisions ....... the WTS acts like a social club where any violation of club status quo or rules could lead to social marking, displinary action or club membership removal.........coercion happens we just do it in less direct ways usually starting with the suggestion to 'wait on Jah'.
It is okay for you to be a believing JW on this site, it is okay to offer different opinions but learn how to disagree gracefully, how to agree to disagree.
Please, much more and you will have those who are serving as elders writing notes to the congregation you claim to attend.....it will end poorly for you.
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Band on the Run
A Witness who does not attend meetings, even for two weeks only, is not a Witness.
If you are not a Witness, why would you want to post the crazy stuff here?
Or is this a troll, gotcha?
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mrsjones5
"Rachel..... real conversations....."
She's not here for that Ynot.
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palmtree67
Alice: " Do you want to talk to my husband on skype you compulsive liar? Who do you think you are? I can prove every claim I make. "
When you were Consfearacy, you claimed to be your own husband. Then another one of your personas, you were the fiancee of someone who was studying and supposedly just here for information.....????
I beg to differ with you on who is the COMPULSIVE LIAR. ( HINT: It's definately NOT Mary...... )
