Br. Loesch - great tribulation, king of the north, generation overlap, new scrolls and more...

by Bonnie_Clyde 62 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    Just got this email.....

    Subject: Zone Report Germany Date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 AM

    We thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you. Yesterday we had our Zone visit talks. We enjoyed listening to a talk by Br. Hardy, the coordinator of the London Bethel, (our 3rd time having him as Zone overseer) in which he included many touching experiences. Then we had the privilege of listening to Br. Loesch, of the Governing Body while he gave a 2 hour talk at the Kingdom Hall in the Bethel here in Germany. It was a talk about the last days, Bible prophecy and the future. He described in detail about the progression of the great tribulation and how it will happen in 3 phases, similar to the progression of the 1st century attack on the city of Jerusalem.

    The 1st stage will begin with an unmistakable attack of world leaders on Christendom. They will plunder her wealth and property. The 2nd phase will include that the governments will believe that they have achieved peace and security. The 3rd phase is that the world leaders under the direction of the Gog of Magog and the King of the North would turn their attention to Jehovah's people. The King of the North is........He said we will have to wait and see who attacks us then we will know who the King of the North will be. It doesn't help us to speculate. Some of the anointed ones still on earth will go to heaven shortly after the great tribulation. The sealing of the 144,000 would be complete when the 4 angels let go of the winds of the earth at Armageddon. Then Jehovah and Jesus will step in and bring about Armageddon, even using the forces of nature and fearful signs in the heavens so everyone will know that this was a divine act.

    Other interesting points were: the explanation of the generation as is described in the Watchtower about how the anointed ones who saw 1914 would overlap those who they could pass this knowledge on to.

    Also, he described what it will be like to live forever and the work that will be involved in helping resurrected ones (housing, food, spiritual knowledge etc..) also those who died last will be resurrected first with the exception of the Princes such as Noah, Moses, Abraham etc.. What we enjoyed the most was how he used the Bible and always referred to the Watchtower articles, especially ones in 1994, 1999, and 2006. It was emphasized that we don't know the answers to many things, and that we won't know until they happen so speculating can be a waste of time. He recommended that we picture ourselves in the new world often even if we don't know all the details about it. He also got us to imagine living not just 1000 years but quintillion years and then on into eternity. He said that boredom is part of our imperfection and that once we are perfect we will never again feel bored. He used the scripture at Ecclesiastes 3:11 about how we will "NEVER find out the work that the true God has made from the start to the finish."

    He reminded us that new scrolls would be opened and that Jehovah's rest period would be finished at the end of the 1000 years and that he may begin creating new things. It really touched our hearts to hear him emphasize these points. The 2 hours went by fast, many scriptures were used and detailed explanations were given, more than we are even noting here. It was a privilege to hear this information, although not new, but in such an intimate setting.

    PS. The whole program was in English and was translated into Portuguese. About 1800 heard the program. The same program will be given in German this coming Wednesday night.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    I don't see any noo lite here, it's the same old drivel.

  • poppers
    poppers

    It doesn't help us to speculate.

    Hmm...then he drones on with a lot of speculation - ironic.

  • watson
    watson

    My thoughts as well, poppers. He loves to hear himself speak..

  • Gayle
    Gayle

    It was emphasized that we don't know the answers to many things, and that we won't know until they happen so speculating can be a waste of time.

    a waste of time!!!! for sure!! I think of a little girl studying and going to many a book study (Your Will Be Done on Earth book, etc.) about the king of north and south, what it was,,a waste of time to her youth,,50 yrs ago, and that was me! and thousands of others. Again, no apology ever from any GB.

  • clarity
    clarity

    "Other interesting points were: the explanation of the generation as is described in the Watchtower about how the anointed ones who saw 1914 would overlap those who they could pass this knowledge on to."

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    They keep punching this nonsense around a bit more, trying to make it sound more platable ... and the sheeple keep swallowing it down!

    c

  • clarity
    clarity

    Gayle .........amen!!!

    c

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    I find the psychology behind acceptance of the "overlap" fascinating.

    The authors of "Mistakes Were Made, but not by me" have a great Orwell quote on their website:

    We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Some of the anointed ones still on earth will go to heaven shortly after the great tribulation.

    The appears to be the only way of engendering urgency, the majority of witnesses think the professed annointed are all very old. But I know at least 2 in their 30's and even Geoff Jackson is only 55 or 56.

  • Gayle
    Gayle

    At least Germany not having any increases for last 3 or 4 years.

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