"Jehovah’sWitnesses do not try to predict when God will destroy the wicked."

by stillstuckcruz 24 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  designs

  1975 was last week's Comic Book issue.
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  LostGeneration

  Its also a lie when you examine current JW doctrine. The latest "thinking" goes like this:

  God will destroy the world before the generation that overlaps with the generation that saw 1914 passes away.

  Now that pretty much puts it all the way to say the year 2100 if you really stretch out the numbers, but it is a prediction on when the wicked will be killed, according to the Watchtower.

  Douchebags.
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  diamondiiz

  While when I was duped into the cult I didn't know anything about 1975 or 1925 or any previous dates. I only heard the 1975 was when some JWs thought the end was going to come but they were running ahead of WTS - never WTS fault.

  Likewise today, we don't know when the end will come BUT... Last Days started in 1914 and we're almost 100 years into the last days so the end must really be soon... You need to dedicate yourself t oGod....You need to do as much as you can in God's service...........

  Same shit different WT article, we don't know when but we know it's really really close and this nearness will be reaffirmed by myriads of talks you'll hear at KHs and many more at CA or DA.
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  sabastious

  Humans, while in eager anticipation of a greener pasture, will shell out a lot of money, as well as resources, while they wait. It's the anticipation that the Watchtower attempts to create in their members. The member never gets what they are anticpating, however, because of the grandiosity of the anticipated event: the advent of Armageddon and the end of pain and suffering as we know it.

  The Witnesses are kept in this perpetual anticipation for a reason. I have often thought of why the Watchtower doesn't have some of their larger prophecies "come true." The Great Tribulation comes to mind for me. They could easily say that it started a few years ago and that would satiate at least some of the member's anticipation which has been allowed to fester for a long time. It leads me to believe that this witholding is purposeful and that maybe the state of anticipation wthin the mind is the Watchtower's end goal.

  -Sab
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  jonathan dough

  Here is an ocean of proof that the JWs are wrong. They can't run from their past in predicting when YHWH will destroy the wicked.

  http://144000.110mb.com/directory/false_prophets_prophecies_jehovahs_witnesses.html
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  therevealer

  THE PURPOSE OF THIS MAGAZINE, The Watchtower, is to honor Jehovah God, the Supreme Ruler of
  the universe. Just as watchtowers in ancient times enabled a person to observe developments from afar,
  so this magazine shows us the significance of world events in the light of Bible prophecies. It comforts
  people with the good news that God's Kingdom, which is a real government in heaven, will soon bring
  an end to all wickedness and transform the earth into a paradise.
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  jonathan dough

  THE PURPOSE OF THIS MAGAZINE, The Watchtower, is to honor Jehovah God, the Supreme Ruler of
  the universe.

  Simply not true. One cannot honor YHWH with deception, false teachings, and utter disregard of the Bible, the true Bible, not the NWT. One cannot honor God Almighty practicing what much of the Watchtower Magazine preaches. You make the incorrect assumption that the Society is correct. It is not and has been proven wrong thousands of times over. And this is not mere opinion. False prophets cannot honor God. Baal worshipers who throw their children in the fire of the prohibition of blood transfusions against God's express will cannot please him. Those who prohibit mankind from entering heaven and limit it to 144,000 literal JWs cannot honor or worship God; Jesus made that very clear.

  http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/jehovahs_witnesses_directory_beliefs.html

  It comforts people with the good news that God's Kingdom, which is a real government in heaven, will soon bring an end to all wickedness and transform the earth into a paradise.

  This entire premise is flawed and mischaracterizes the future and God's salvation plan. It also presupposes incorrectly that only JWs preach the end times and that YHWH will bring an end to the world's wickedness.

  Because the earth shall be destroyed, the resurrected, and the Great Crowd, cannot be ruled over by the 144,000 from heaven[Home]
  
  Peter, and the Bood of Revelation, made it very clear that the earth will be destroyed. He was not saying that the planet would vanish, but it will become uninhabitable until the new earth is regenerated. The Greek word basileuo “to reign,” does not only mean to “rule over a people.” It is often used as metaphor, such as to “reign in life” (Rom. 5:17) where ‘shall reign in life’ indicates the activity of life in fellowship with Christ in His sovereign power, reaching its fullness hereafter; 1 Cor. 4:8…” (Vine’s, 52). One can also reign over sin (Rom. 6:12). Grace can also reign (Rom. 5:21). With this in mind it does not automatically or logically follow that there must be someone over whom the 144,000 reign on earth in the same way that contemporary governments rule over a people in today’s world.
  
  As a matter of fact, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses claim that the Bible does not tell us what the 144,000 will do after the thousand year reign is over, Revelation 22:3,4 informs us that God's servants will worship him and "shall reign forever and ever." But reign over who? They claim that at that time no one will stand between God and man, most certainly not Jesus (Insight, 170); the kingdom will have been handed over, death will be no more and man will be forever perfect. But if that is true the word "reign" cannot mean to rule over humans on earth, especially on an earth destined for fire which is made clear by 2 Peter 3:10,11: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire and the earth and everything in it will be found out. ... everything is to be dissolved this way," (NAB; "Total destruction is assumed (11)," notes 3,10).
  
  Granted, the Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe the earth will be destroyed and base this teaching in large part on Psalm 37:29 where the psalmist wrote, "The just will possess the land (earth) and live in it forever." However, the earth "wears out like a garment (Isa. 51:6), so the word "forever" is hyperbole, and nothing here indicates that there won't be a hiatus, or break, in the earth's habitation. Psalm 37:29 does not say man will inherit the earth continuously without interruption, and Revelation 21:10,27 suggests that reconstituted, glorified man, without the warts, will come back down out of heaven sometime in the future: "He took me in spirit to a great high mountain and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God." "Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life."
  
  Actually, the earth has experienced significant disruptions evidenced by the annihilation of the dinosaurs and great flood of Noah's day. Remember, we are dealing with geologic time, and cycling through another ice age that would wipe off the post-apocalyptic mess left in the wake of Armageddon is entirely within reason; it is more reasonable than handing the Great Crowd brooms and haz-mat suits and ordering them to restore the earth into a paradise.
  
  More to the point is Peter's comparison of the earth's pending fiery destruction to the great flood which is a real, not metaphorical, example of earth's fate as detailed at 2 Peter 3:5-13: "They deliberately ignore the fact that the heavens existed of old and earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God; through these the world that then existed was destroyed, deluged with water. The present heavens and earth have been reserved by the same word of fire kept for the day of judgment and of destruction of the godless." Jesus likewise made it known that ultimate destruction will be modeled after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where Luke 17:29 makes it abundantly clear God destroyed them all. That man's governments are changed in the process goes without saying. Remember, "...he was seated on the throne and said, "Behold, I am making all things new. (Rev. 21:5).

  To "reign," then, must mean to reign in life or over sin, and old-world government models such as king David's rule over God's people do not necessarily apply to a new world, a new earth and a new creation. As a point of interest, this is the meaning ascribed to the concept of "reign" by the Catholic church.

  Like other numerical values in this book, the thousand years are not to be taken literally; they symbolize the long period of time between the chaining up of Satan (a symbol for Christ's resurrection victory over death and the forces of evil) and the end of the world. During this time God's people share in the glorious reign of God that is present to them by virtue of their baptismal victory over death and sin; cf Rom 6, 1-8; Jn 5, 24-25; 16, 33; 1 Jn 3,14; Eph 2,1. (NAB, note Rev. 20:1-6)

  Finally, if the Great Crowd is in heaven and not on earth as the Jehovah's Witnesses claim, the 144,000 cannot rule over them as earthly subjects.

  http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html
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  BluesBrother

  Interesting....A subsidiary article "Our readers ask, 'Will The Earth Survive 2012'.....Why raise the question, one wonders?

  Opening paragraph

  "French village faces influx of

  apocalypse believers . . . They

  believe the world will end on

  21 December 2012, the end of

  a 5,125-year-long cycle in the

  ancient Maya calendar.”—BBC

  News."

  Then later on we get to our bit..

  (Quote)

  "However, it is Jehovah’s will “to bring to ruin those ruining

  the earth.” (Revelation 11:18) In his Word, he makes this promise: “The upright are the ones

  that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards

  the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be

  torn away from it.”—Proverbs 2:21, 22.

  When will this occur? No human knows.“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows,” said

  Jesus, “neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32)

  Jehovah’s Witnesses do not try to predict when God will destroy the wicked. Though they are

  alert to “the sign” of the end and believe that humankind is living in the Biblical “last days,”

  they cannot know just when “the end” will occur. (Mark 13:4-8, 33; 2 Timothy 3:1) They leave

  that solely in the hands of their heavenly Father and his Son.

  Meanwhile, Jehovah’s Witnesses occupy themselves with preaching the good news

  of God’s Kingdom, the heavenly government that will rule and transform planet Earth

  into a peaceful paradise, one that ‘the righteous themselves will possess and reside forever upon"

  So are they turning more mainstream and abandoning the apocalyptic, end of the world culture? Or is it, as others say, a bit of cosy P R they can point to if asked embarrassing questions?

  The latter, I think. Come the next Service Meeting they will stress the lateness of the hour and everyone should try to Pioneer....
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  therevealer

  That is why I pasted that from their (Masthead?) or at least the inside cover where they say "will soon bring". What does soon mean? It allows for wiggle room but soon is still a prediction in my mind.
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  flipper

  The WT society is saying they don't predict the end because it's the field service version of the WT. Of course they want to deceive the public. But they STILL try to predict the end by claiming the " overlapping generation " theory by saying it will happen within this coming lifetime still. Within at least 50 - 70 years. WT society is so dishonest that they can't think or see straight